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OT: CH Radiator
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Mick Whittingham
2011-11-14 13:37:16 UTC
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Due to an administrative error[1] I've got a brand new, never been used,
180 by 60 CM, single panel, hi out put, Central Heating radiator that I
don't need. Any sensible offer, buyer collects 'cause it's heavy( I
don't mind travelling part way if it's not too far.). I'm in West
Norfolk.

[1] A metric / imperial impasse that I couldn't get round.
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'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
Veggie Dave
2011-11-14 14:23:47 UTC
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Post by Mick Whittingham
[1] A metric / imperial impasse that I couldn't get round.
What impasse would that be?
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Mick Whittingham
2011-11-14 14:54:51 UTC
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Post by Veggie Dave
Post by Mick Whittingham
[1] A metric / imperial impasse that I couldn't get round.
What impasse would that be?
4 Centimetres too long.
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'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
Scraggy
2011-11-14 15:09:54 UTC
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:54:51 +0000, Mick Whittingham
Post by Mick Whittingham
Post by Veggie Dave
Post by Mick Whittingham
[1] A metric / imperial impasse that I couldn't get round.
What impasse would that be?
4 Centimetres too long.
Hand in your UKRM angle grinder certificate at once, you are not worthy.
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members. Groucho Marx
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-14 21:12:03 UTC
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:54:51 +0000, Mick Whittingham
Post by Mick Whittingham
Post by Veggie Dave
Post by Mick Whittingham
[1] A metric / imperial impasse that I couldn't get round.
What impasse would that be?
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.

Oh,.... bugger.
'Hog
2011-11-15 12:29:28 UTC
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Post by Scraggy
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:54:51 +0000, Mick Whittingham
Post by Mick Whittingham
Post by Veggie Dave
Post by Mick Whittingham
[1] A metric / imperial impasse that I couldn't get round.
What impasse would that be?
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.
Oh,.... bugger.
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
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Hog

Remember the 4 "F" rule:
If you're not Fucking me, Feeding me or Financing me
...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-15 12:42:03 UTC
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Mick Whittingham
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.
Oh,.... bugger.
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial confusion.
To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
'Hog
2011-11-15 13:05:12 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Mick Whittingham
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.
Oh,.... bugger.
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial confusion.
To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric confusion
but ICBW
--
Hog

Remember the 4 "F" rule:
If you're not Fucking me, Feeding me or Financing me
...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off
ogden
2011-11-15 13:07:31 UTC
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Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Mick Whittingham
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.
Oh,.... bugger.
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial confusion.
To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric confusion
but ICBW
That was Hubble, wasn't it?
--
ogden
'Hog
2011-11-15 13:37:15 UTC
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Post by ogden
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Mick Whittingham
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.
Oh,.... bugger.
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial confusion.
To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric
confusion but ICBW
That was Hubble, wasn't it?
Hubble as well? do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
--
Hog

Remember the 4 "F" rule:
If you're not Fucking me, Feeding me or Financing me
...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off
zymurgy
2011-11-15 21:48:48 UTC
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Post by ogden
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial confusion.
To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric
confusion but ICBW
That was Hubble, wasn't it?
Hubble as well?  do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...

Paul.
'Hog
2011-11-15 23:20:00 UTC
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Post by zymurgy
Post by ogden
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial
confusion. To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric
confusion but ICBW
That was Hubble, wasn't it?
Hubble as well? do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
It's ok the Chinese went metric last century and the USA is nothing more
than the 3rd SAR.

Actually, to be more precise the Chinese kept their own unit (names) and
changed the measures to the SI standards. Inscrutable bastards.
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Hog

Remember the 4 "F" rule:
If you're not Fucking me, Feeding me or Financing me
...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off
Lozzo
2011-11-15 23:34:18 UTC
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Post by 'Hog
It's ok the Chinese went metric last century
Really? You'd never think so if you ever had to work on one of their
motorcycles. The Chinese specialise in making fixings with head sizes
half a millimetre out from any tool that anyone in the workshop has
that might fit. Usually they are just that little bit too small and
made of a substance that makes cheese look like granite. When you
finally get the rounded off bolt out, and try to find a new one to fit,
you find that the inscrutable slanty-eyed little cunts have developed a
thread standard all of their own which is again half a size out from
anything seen in civilisation.
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Lozzo
Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , FJR1300 company
bike, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-16 00:46:36 UTC
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Post by Lozzo
Post by 'Hog
It's ok the Chinese went metric last century
Really? You'd never think so if you ever had to work on one of their
motorcycles. The Chinese specialise in making fixings with head sizes
half a millimetre out from any tool that anyone in the workshop has
that might fit. Usually they are just that little bit too small and
made of a substance that makes cheese look like granite. When you
finally get the rounded off bolt out, and try to find a new one to fit,
you find that the inscrutable slanty-eyed little cunts have developed a
thread standard all of their own which is again half a size out from
anything seen in civilisation.
A bit yin and yang, really.
That's the noise they make when they snap.
Lozzo
2011-11-16 01:07:30 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Lozzo
Post by 'Hog
It's ok the Chinese went metric last century
Really? You'd never think so if you ever had to work on one of their
motorcycles. The Chinese specialise in making fixings with head
sizes half a millimetre out from any tool that anyone in the
workshop has that might fit. Usually they are just that little bit
too small and made of a substance that makes cheese look like
granite. When you finally get the rounded off bolt out, and try to
find a new one to fit, you find that the inscrutable slanty-eyed
little cunts have developed a thread standard all of their own
which is again half a size out from anything seen in civilisation.
A bit yin and yang, really.
That's the noise they make when they snap.
We have a generic name for all Chinese scooters and bikes, they are all
made in the HONGKONGONEWRONG factory
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Lozzo
Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , FJR1300 company
bike, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
'Hog
2011-11-16 11:37:36 UTC
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Post by Lozzo
Post by 'Hog
It's ok the Chinese went metric last century
Really? You'd never think so if you ever had to work on one of their
motorcycles. The Chinese specialise in making fixings with head sizes
half a millimetre out from any tool that anyone in the workshop has
that might fit. Usually they are just that little bit too small and
made of a substance that makes cheese look like granite. When you
finally get the rounded off bolt out, and try to find a new one to
fit, you find that the inscrutable slanty-eyed little cunts have
developed a thread standard all of their own which is again half a
size out from anything seen in civilisation.
I never would but it doesn't surprise me. You don't take over the world by
fitting in exactly with everyone else.

Of course they *can* do it right when it suits them.
--
Hog

Remember the 4 "F" rule:
If you're not Fucking me, Feeding me or Financing me
...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off
Krusty
2011-11-16 11:46:20 UTC
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Post by zymurgy
Post by ogden
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial
confusion. >>> To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
Post by ogden
Post by 'Hog
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric
confusion but ICBW
That was Hubble, wasn't it?
Hubble as well?  do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
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Krusty

Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Fantic Hiro 250
c***@NOSPAM.netunix.com
2011-11-16 13:08:26 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
19/32 or 5/8 YTC, what is so difficult about that.
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01Y CBR600F
98 Yamaha YP250 Majesty (for sale)
Krusty
2011-11-16 13:21:05 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with
metric - 17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's
more like - 9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
19/32 or 5/8 YTC
<sigh>

Yes. I. Know.
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what is so difficult about that.
It's /more/ difficult. I'm used to metric fasteners. I can look at a
bolt & pick the right size spanner 99% of the time, & if I get it
wrong, I know what the next size is in both directions - because just
adding or subtracting 1 takes zero effort.

I'm not used to imperial fasteners. Therefore I don't know in my head
what the right size will be just by looking at the bolt most of the
time. And when I invariably pick the wrong size, I don't know what the
next size is in either direction without doing a bit of mental
arithmetic. And even then, I don't know if that size even exists.
13/16"? 21/32"?

Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the top
of their head - most people my age don't.
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Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Fantic Hiro 250
Mark Olson
2011-11-16 13:59:01 UTC
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Post by Krusty
Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the top
of their head - most people my age don't.
I started wrenching when I were a lad aged 11 or so, on lawnmower
engines and worked my way up through all sorts of bangers, all SAE
of course. I could identify the correct wrench size MOST of the
time on the first try. Metric fasteners were confined to odd
imports owned by even odder enthusiasts...

Now that metric is the order of the day, for 99% of the fasteners I
see the situation is reversed. Especially on bikes, they're almost
exclusively confined to a subset of the possible sizes: 8mm, 10mm,
12mm, 14mm, 17mm, which are nearly impossible to confuse, which is
nice.
Pete Fisher
2011-11-16 14:17:54 UTC
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Post by Mark Olson
Post by Krusty
Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the top
of their head - most people my age don't.
I started wrenching when I were a lad aged 11 or so, on lawnmower
engines and worked my way up through all sorts of bangers, all SAE
of course. I could identify the correct wrench size MOST of the
time on the first try. Metric fasteners were confined to odd
imports owned by even odder enthusiasts...
Now that metric is the order of the day, for 99% of the fasteners I
see the situation is reversed. Especially on bikes, they're almost
exclusively confined to a subset of the possible sizes: 8mm, 10mm,
12mm, 14mm, 17mm, which are nearly impossible to confuse, which is
nice.
Almost, though I find the most common of all are 10, 13 and 17. Mr Scott
had the right idea.
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Mark Olson
2011-11-16 14:32:04 UTC
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Post by Pete Fisher
Post by Mark Olson
Post by Krusty
Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the top
of their head - most people my age don't.
I started wrenching when I were a lad aged 11 or so, on lawnmower
engines and worked my way up through all sorts of bangers, all SAE
of course. I could identify the correct wrench size MOST of the
time on the first try. Metric fasteners were confined to odd
imports owned by even odder enthusiasts...
Now that metric is the order of the day, for 99% of the fasteners I
see the situation is reversed. Especially on bikes, they're almost
exclusively confined to a subset of the possible sizes: 8mm, 10mm,
12mm, 14mm, 17mm, which are nearly impossible to confuse, which is
nice.
Almost, though I find the most common of all are 10, 13 and 17. Mr Scott
had the right idea.
See comment above about "...even odder enthusiasts"

13mm is universally absent on any Jap bike (not JA Prestwick!) in my
experience, and I've yet to own a German or Italian bike.

Oh I take that back, I have a Vespa Ciao currently in the role of
garage ornament.
Pete Fisher
2011-11-16 14:56:01 UTC
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Post by Mark Olson
Post by Pete Fisher
Post by Mark Olson
Post by Krusty
Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the top
of their head - most people my age don't.
I started wrenching when I were a lad aged 11 or so, on lawnmower
engines and worked my way up through all sorts of bangers, all SAE
of course. I could identify the correct wrench size MOST of the
time on the first try. Metric fasteners were confined to odd
imports owned by even odder enthusiasts...
Now that metric is the order of the day, for 99% of the fasteners I
see the situation is reversed. Especially on bikes, they're almost
exclusively confined to a subset of the possible sizes: 8mm, 10mm,
12mm, 14mm, 17mm, which are nearly impossible to confuse, which is
nice.
Almost, though I find the most common of all are 10, 13 and 17. Mr
Scott had the right idea.
See comment above about "...even odder enthusiasts"
13mm is universally absent on any Jap bike (not JA Prestwick!) in my
experience,
Ah, I'm mixing up wrenches with fasteners. When reaching for a spanner I
only pay attention to the head, not the thread.

You've not taken a mid 90's Yamaha YZ apart then - though only the
cylinder base stud nuts need a 13mm spanner IIRC.
Post by Mark Olson
and I've yet to own a German or Italian bike.
You've not lived.
Post by Mark Olson
Oh I take that back, I have a Vespa Ciao currently in the role of
garage ornament.
Heh, a fellow honorary member of the 'Piaggio' owners club then.
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Mark Olson
2011-11-16 15:02:46 UTC
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Post by Pete Fisher
Post by Mark Olson
13mm is universally absent on any Jap bike (not JA Prestwick!) in my
experience,
Ah, I'm mixing up wrenches with fasteners. When reaching for a spanner I
only pay attention to the head, not the thread.
I was speaking about the heads as well. The only thread I reliably know
by sight and feel is 6mm x 1.0.
Post by Pete Fisher
You've not taken a mid 90's Yamaha YZ apart then - though only the
cylinder base stud nuts need a 13mm spanner IIRC.
I had a 1978 SR500 lump apart to replace a 2nd gear with a broken tooth,
if that counts for anything, but it was five years ago and I'm doing well
to remember having done it at all, much less being able to remember what
size fasteners held the barrel on.
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-17 13:46:48 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:17:54 +0000, Pete Fisher
Post by Pete Fisher
Almost, though I find the most common of all are 10, 13 and 17. Mr Scott
had the right idea.
The engine's gawnie blow, Cap'n.
Thomas
2011-11-16 17:33:17 UTC
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Post by Mark Olson
Now that metric is the order of the day, for 99% of the fasteners I
see the situation is reversed. Especially on bikes, they're almost
exclusively confined to a subset of the possible sizes: 8mm, 10mm,
12mm, 14mm, 17mm, which are nearly impossible to confuse, which is
nice.
Unless you toss the imperial and metric tools loose into one toolbox.
Mark Olson
2011-11-16 18:06:52 UTC
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Post by Thomas
Post by Mark Olson
Now that metric is the order of the day, for 99% of the fasteners I
see the situation is reversed. Especially on bikes, they're almost
exclusively confined to a subset of the possible sizes: 8mm, 10mm,
12mm, 14mm, 17mm, which are nearly impossible to confuse, which is
nice.
Unless you toss the imperial and metric tools loose into one toolbox.
Aw bless.

Reminds me of my B-I-L. Asked where his toolbox was, and he pointed
to the kitchen 'junk drawer'. I think he had one Crescent wrench,
one screwdriver, etc. Anytime someone has more hammers than spanners,
look out.
The Older Gentleman
2011-11-16 19:11:28 UTC
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Post by Mark Olson
Anytime someone has more hammers than spanners,
look out.
Genuine LOL here.
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Fraser Johnston
2011-11-17 05:17:15 UTC
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Post by Mark Olson
Aw bless.
Reminds me of my B-I-L. Asked where his toolbox was, and he pointed
to the kitchen 'junk drawer'. I think he had one Crescent wrench,
one screwdriver, etc. Anytime someone has more hammers than spanners,
look out.
He needs to hand in his membership to the man club and buy a dress. A
friend of ours has a toolbox where everything in it is oversized. 32mm
socket is the smallest and the only hammer is a lump hammer. God knows
what he uses any of it for. Fixing steamships maybe?

Fraser
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-17 13:52:40 UTC
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Post by Mark Olson
Reminds me of my B-I-L. Asked where his toolbox was, and he pointed
to the kitchen 'junk drawer'. I think he had one Crescent wrench,
one screwdriver, etc.
All essential parts of the Drawer Fulla Crap.
I had the notion of selling a DFC kit as a starter pack for first-time
buyers.
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-17 13:51:33 UTC
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Post by Thomas
Unless you toss the imperial and metric tools loose into one toolbox.
At one point when I was working on a succession of shiteoldbangers, I
had the arrangement of sockets simply going up in absolute size along
the rack, irrespective of metric/imperial. It worked bloody well.
Would work just as well for spanners only on a board.
Lozzo
2011-11-16 17:15:01 UTC
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Post by Krusty
Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the
top of their head - most people my age don't...
... want to.
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Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , FJR1300 company
bike, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
'Hog
2011-11-16 17:21:07 UTC
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Post by Lozzo
Post by Krusty
Someone as old as you probably knows all the imperial sizes off the
top of their head - most people my age don't...
... want to.
<snigger>
http://www.mysitespace.com/metric_cruisers/about_metric_cruisers.asp
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...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off
Andy B
2011-11-16 17:37:55 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
19/32 or 5/8 YTC, what is so difficult about that.
Nothing until you remember that not only do you have AF spanners but you
also have BSF & BSW ones as well.
c***@NOSPAM.netunix.com
2011-11-16 17:52:04 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
19/32 or 5/8 YTC, what is so difficult about that.
Nothing until you remember that not only do you have AF spanners but you
also have BSF & BSW ones as well.
One set does both BSF and BSW heads. That tool box does not get used
very often nowadays. Dont forget the BA sizes, the BSC oddities and
of course the dreaded BSP stuff.
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01Y CBR600F
98 Yamaha YP250 Majesty (for sale)
Andy B
2011-11-16 18:11:27 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
19/32 or 5/8 YTC, what is so difficult about that.
Nothing until you remember that not only do you have AF spanners but you
also have BSF & BSW ones as well.
One set does both BSF and BSW heads. That tool box does not get used
very often nowadays. Dont forget the BA sizes, the BSC oddities and
of course the dreaded BSP stuff.
My point was that even I can't remember which is the correct Whitworth
spanner if all I've got to go on is the AF size and I work with them
most of the year. It's also worth noting that UNC bolt heads aren't the
same as Whitworth so you can't even look at it, decide that it's a 1/2"
thread and reach for a 1/2" Whit spanner to undo it.
wessie
2011-11-16 13:15:27 UTC
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Post by zymurgy
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
you don't have spanners in 1/32" increments? Time to shop, dear boy.
Krusty
2011-11-16 13:42:04 UTC
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Post by Krusty
Post by zymurgy
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with
metric - 17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's
more like - 9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
you don't have spanners in 1/32" increments? Time to shop, dear boy.
Yeah, I've got e.g. 7/32, 8/32, 9/32, 10/32 etc...

I have spanners to fit every nut & bolt I've tackled, but that's not
the point.
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wessie
2011-11-16 14:06:54 UTC
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Post by wessie
Post by Krusty
Post by zymurgy
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst
stripping the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy
with metric - 17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial
it's more like - 9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
you don't have spanners in 1/32" increments? Time to shop, dear boy.
Yeah, I've got e.g. 7/32, 8/32, 9/32, 10/32 etc...
I have spanners to fit every nut & bolt I've tackled, but that's not
the point.
you're rubbish at fractions, seems to be the point :)
Krusty
2011-11-16 14:17:01 UTC
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Post by Krusty
Post by zymurgy
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst
stripping the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's
easy >> > with metric - 17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With
imperial >> > it's more like - 9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
Post by Krusty
Post by wessie
you don't have spanners in 1/32" increments? Time to shop, dear
boy.
Post by Krusty
Yeah, I've got e.g. 7/32, 8/32, 9/32, 10/32 etc...
I have spanners to fit every nut & bolt I've tackled, but that's not
the point.
you're rubbish at fractions, seems to be the point :)
Yeah that'll be it.
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Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Fantic Hiro 250
Scraggy
2011-11-16 14:57:56 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I have spanners to fit every nut & bolt I've tackled, but that's not
the point.
+1. Adjustable they are.
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Fraser Johnston
2011-11-17 05:08:00 UTC
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Post by Krusty
I've been reminded over the past couple of evenings whilst stripping
the 'vette how much I hate imperial fasteners. It's easy with metric -
17mm spanner a bit small, try an 18. With imperial it's more like -
9/16" a bit small, try a... err...
I've got some Metrinch spanners. Bloody good for stuff like that.

Fraser
Champ
2011-11-16 22:52:19 UTC
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:48:48 -0800 (PST), zymurgy
Post by zymurgy
 do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
Work a lot on 14mm hex heads, do you?

The *only* time I ever used the imperial sockets in my Kamasa socket
set was when I couldn't find the correct metric one. I discovered as
a youth that 1/2 inch did for 13mm ok, and 9/16 for 14mm.

Eventually, a good 10+ years ago, I threw the imperial ones in the bin
and put the metric ones on a rail.

If a vehicle uses imperial fasteners, then I sure as hell ain't going
to be working on it.
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Pete Fisher
2011-11-16 23:02:34 UTC
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Post by Champ
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:48:48 -0800 (PST), zymurgy
Post by zymurgy
 do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
Work a lot on 14mm hex heads, do you?
The *only* time I ever used the imperial sockets in my Kamasa socket
set was when I couldn't find the correct metric one. I discovered as
a youth that 1/2 inch did for 13mm ok, and 9/16 for 14mm.
Eventually, a good 10+ years ago, I threw the imperial ones in the bin
and put the metric ones on a rail.
Old imperial sockets can make good bearing removal drifts.
Post by Champ
If a vehicle uses imperial fasteners, then I sure as hell ain't going
to be working on it.
Have pedal cycles gone totally metric these days or does the odd 'cycle'
thread still rear it's ugly hex head? At least there's no problem with
metric or imperial screwdrivers (ignoring socket head screws that is).
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Pip
2011-11-17 15:47:43 UTC
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Post by Champ
Eventually, a good 10+ years ago, I threw the imperial ones in the bin
and put the metric ones on a rail.
Old imperial sockets can make good bearing removal drifts.
That's why I kept mine, albeit in a cardboard box in an old cabinet.
Post by Pete Fisher
Post by Champ
If a vehicle uses imperial fasteners, then I sure as hell ain't going
to be working on it.
Have pedal cycles gone totally metric these days or does the odd 'cycle'
thread still rear it's ugly hex head? At least there's no problem with
metric or imperial screwdrivers (ignoring socket head screws that is).
I still find uses for Imperial gear: Harleys for a start, then there's
the big old bolts that hold towballs to towbars - and yes, there's some
really odd-sized stuff on pushbikes. Square-headed coach screws/bolts
seem to be non-metric too, mostly, as do Rawlbolts and other screw-into-
masonry fasteners.

So, quite a bit, really - but not mainstream stuff.
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Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-11-17 20:15:00 UTC
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Post by Pip
Square-headed coach screws/bolts
seem to be non-metric too, mostly, as do Rawlbolts and other screw-into-
masonry fasteners.
Any of those I've bought in the last decade have definitely been
metric.
Pip
2011-11-18 20:18:51 UTC
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Curmudgeon says...
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Pip
Square-headed coach screws/bolts
seem to be non-metric too, mostly, as do Rawlbolts and other screw-into-
masonry fasteners.
Any of those I've bought in the last decade have definitely been
metric.
That'll be me using up old stock, then.

Mined ewe[1], the shops I force myself to buy shite like that from are
prolly still in the Imperial Age.


1. Taliban sheep.
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zymurgy
2011-11-18 20:37:41 UTC
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Post by Pip
Curmudgeon says...
Post by Pip
Square-headed coach screws/bolts
seem to be non-metric too, mostly, as do Rawlbolts and other screw-into-
masonry fasteners.
Any of those I've bought in the last decade have definitely been metric.
That'll be me using up old stock, then.
Surely one such as yourself will have 8 point sockets for square
headed bolts ?

I know i've got a few...

Paul.

Krusty
2011-11-16 23:11:50 UTC
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Post by Champ
If a vehicle uses imperial fasteners, then I sure as hell ain't going
to be working on it.
<curses>
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Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Fantic Hiro 250
zymurgy
2011-11-16 23:50:47 UTC
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Post by Champ
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:48:48 -0800 (PST), zymurgy
Post by zymurgy
 do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....
You can prise that 9/16" wrench out of my cold, dead fingers ...
Work a lot on 14mm hex heads, do you?
Sorry, it was an oblique reference to the Yanks.

I have several sets of imperial tools, that I used when I was an
apprentice, but I keep them [1] as they're just about worthless
nowadays.

Paul.

[1] A couple of sets of sockets and spanners doesn't take up much room
in the toolbox.
Fraser Johnston
2011-11-17 05:22:37 UTC
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Post by Champ
Work a lot on 14mm hex heads, do you?
The *only* time I ever used the imperial sockets in my Kamasa socket
set was when I couldn't find the correct metric one. I discovered as
a youth that 1/2 inch did for 13mm ok, and 9/16 for 14mm.
Eventually, a good 10+ years ago, I threw the imperial ones in the bin
and put the metric ones on a rail.
If a vehicle uses imperial fasteners, then I sure as hell ain't going
to be working on it.
Almost +1. My imperial shit is sitting in the bottom draw of my tool
cab gathering dust. All the metric stuff is on a rail in the drawer.
The irony is I have a drawer for 3/8ths and 1/4" stuff and another
drawer for the 1/2" stuff.

Fraser
Pip
2011-11-17 16:27:26 UTC
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Post by Fraser Johnston
Post by Champ
If a vehicle uses imperial fasteners, then I sure as hell ain't going
to be working on it.
Almost +1. My imperial shit is sitting in the bottom draw of my tool
cab gathering dust. All the metric stuff is on a rail in the drawer.
The irony is I have a drawer for 3/8ths and 1/4" stuff and another
drawer for the 1/2" stuff.
I bought a big flate plate fitted with four rails the other week, and
all my 3/8" gear went on that: had to re-clip the rails as two of them
came supplied with 1/2" and 1/4" clips. The only sockets left in the
drawer are the odd-bod ones that come in handy twice a year or so, the
fuckoff big stuff (25mm and above) and the 1/4" gear that gets used
twice a year too.

I invested in a 3/8" drive 1/4" hex socket a couple of months ago, so I
could drive screwdriver bits and suchlike with a ratchet if I need to -
but the vendor sent me the preceding catalogue number item, a 1/4" drive
version. When I raised it, he sent out the right one, and told me to
keep the wrong 'un as it wasn't worth the postage to him. They've both
been in use several times now, so I offered to pay him for the 1/4" one
- he told me not to be daft and gave me a 25% off next order code. A
proper gent.

Not only that, but I came across a Jubilee (Gubile, for the older hands)
clip I couldn't undo the other day: I never use a screwdriver for them,
as I've stabbed hands/hoses/paintwork enough times now, TYVM. I use the
ever-handy Snap-On flexible drive onna screwdriver handle, (which has
resisted 25 years of ginger abuse) fitted with a 6mm 3/8" drive socket.
This fits the hex on 80-odd% of Gubiles, the remainder (yes, apart from
the non-hex ones, but they go binwards, fast) seem to be either 5mm or
7mm and I have sockets for them too, natch.

Anyway, there was a pair of clips on a fuel hose and the 6mm socket slid
around on the hex, but only just iyswim. The 5mm wouldn't go on. Arse!
I wonder ... I wondered, so I tried the shiny new 1/4" hex bit holder -
bingo!

No matter how big a man's toolkit, there's always space for more, it
seems.
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Pip: Keeper of the Cable Ties
zymurgy
2011-11-17 19:12:40 UTC
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 My imperial shit is sitting in the bottom draw of my tool
cab gathering dust.  All the metric stuff is on a rail in the drawer.
The irony is I have a drawer for 3/8ths and 1/4" stuff and another
drawer for the 1/2" stuff.
Paging Pip and Lozzo to the pissing contest ....

2 drawers 1/4" drive
3 Drawers 3/8" drive
4 Drawers 1/2" drive
1 Deep Drawer 3/4" drive

But I do have 2 full tool chests, one in either country ;-)

Paul.
Lozzo
2011-11-17 23:39:54 UTC
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Post by zymurgy
Paging Pip and Lozzo to the pissing contest ....
2 drawers 1/4" drive
3 Drawers 3/8" drive
4 Drawers 1/2" drive
1 Deep Drawer 3/4" drive
But I do have 2 full tool chests, one in either country ;-)
I buy the tools I need and only double up on stuff I need to. There's
certainly no need or want for me to have that quantity of sockets alone
when what I have fills only one deep drawer of a wide Snap-On roll-cab
with another shallow drawer in the same cab filled with ratchets,
T-bars and assorted extensions and UJs etc.
--
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Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , FJR1300 company
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zymurgy
2011-11-18 20:41:23 UTC
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Post by Lozzo
Post by zymurgy
Paging Pip and Lozzo to the pissing contest ....
2 drawers 1/4" drive
3 Drawers 3/8" drive
4 Drawers 1/2" drive
1 Deep Drawer 3/4" drive
But I do have 2 full tool chests, one in either country ;-)
I buy the tools I need and only double up on stuff I need to. There's
certainly no need or want for me to have that quantity of sockets alone
when what I have fills only one deep drawer of a wide Snap-On roll-cab
with another shallow drawer in the same cab filled with ratchets,
T-bars and assorted extensions and UJs etc.
It's certainly skewed cos i'm running two toolchests, but the 1/4 and
3/8 stuff sits in the 1/3 width drawers, but the 1/2" sits in 2 full
length drawers because there's a full set of shallow and deep sockets,
plus the impact sockets. For both Metric and AF.

They do take up a lot of room ....

Paul.
Malc
2011-11-17 15:05:43 UTC
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Hubble as well?  do you think it's time the Yanks metricated....


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Mick Whittingham
2011-11-15 15:42:26 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:29:28 -0000, "'Hog"
Post by 'Hog
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Mick Whittingham
4 Centimetres too long.
Just as well you didn't work on rockets.
Oh,.... bugger.
Remember when that Space Shuttle blew up.......
I was thinking more of the Ariane 5 with metric/imperial confusion.
To be fair to Mick, it was the Yanks wot did it.
ISTR a Shuttle pingfuckit failure was also the result of metric confusion
but ICBW
NASA Mars lander altitude control on landing. It meant it didn't slow
down in time as it thought it had lots of meters to go when it was feet
that were being measured by the altitude radar.
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'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
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