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simonk
2005-01-11 22:24:23 UTC
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Read and weep ...

http://www.apple.com/macmini/
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Ginge
2005-01-11 22:33:59 UTC
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In article <***@news.individual.net>, simonk
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,

http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/

£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
Nigel Eaton
2005-01-11 22:38:21 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
$499 -> £339.

Hmm... Interesting exchange rate.
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Nigel Eaton
2005-01-11 22:41:32 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
$499 -> £339.
Hmm... Interesting exchange rate.
And later (having mentally added VAT)...

Yep, that's about right then.

Fucking VAT...
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John Higgins
2005-01-11 23:33:23 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
simonk says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
$499 -> £339.
Hmm... Interesting exchange rate.
And later (having mentally added VAT)...
Yep, that's about right then.
Fucking VAT...
It's a damned sight better than the more typical 1:1 as I mentioned
earlier up there ^^^ somewhere.
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Ben Blaney
2005-01-12 04:10:38 UTC
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Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
I'll take the former.
Post by Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Post by Ginge
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
$499 -> £339.
Hmm... Interesting exchange rate.
And later (having mentally added VAT)...
Yep, that's about right then.
Fucking VAT...
I don't pay VAT.
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Ginge
2005-01-11 22:47:46 UTC
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Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
$499 -> £339.
Hmm... Interesting exchange rate.
That's the inc VAT price...

So, $499 = £265.65 + VAT

= £312.13

A £20 mark up compared to the US web price, where IIRC local sales tax
doesn't apply.
Nigel Eaton
2005-01-11 22:55:35 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
Post by Ginge
Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ginge
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
$499 -> £339.
Hmm... Interesting exchange rate.
That's the inc VAT price...
So, $499 = £265.65 + VAT
= £312.13
A £20 mark up compared to the US web price, where IIRC local sales tax
doesn't apply.
Yep, already figured that one out all on my own (see earlier post).

Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice". 17.5% does tend to hurt a bit more.
Not as bad as the Paddies though, who are (again IIRC) at 21%.
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Champ
2005-01-12 00:55:24 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%

The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
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Nigel Eaton
2005-01-12 00:58:20 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
Is it really? Blimey. I must be getting old.
Post by Champ
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
Oh yes. PITA, is that.
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steve auvache
2005-01-12 01:03:23 UTC
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Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
Isn't this something to do with it being three[1] separate taxes all
rolled into one?

[1] City, State and Federal
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muddycat
2005-01-12 01:47:22 UTC
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Post by steve auvache
Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
Isn't this something to do with it being three[1] separate taxes all
rolled into one?
[1] City, State and Federal
City, County and State.

There's a Federal excize tax on tires.
Nigel Eaton
2005-01-12 01:49:01 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, muddycat
Post by muddycat
There's a Federal excize tax on tires.
Oi! This is an English language newsfroup, you cahhhnt.
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muddycat
2005-01-12 01:58:46 UTC
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Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, muddycat
Post by muddycat
There's a Federal excize tax on tires.
Oi! This is an English language newsfroup, you cahhhnt.
I speak engrish.
Mark Olson
2005-01-12 12:53:37 UTC
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Post by muddycat
Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, muddycat
Post by muddycat
There's a Federal excize tax on tires.
Oi! This is an English language newsfroup, you cahhhnt.
I speak engrish.
Let's eat breakfast
firmly
If breakfast is said
It is bread
I am bread
Well eat
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muddycat
2005-01-12 01:43:30 UTC
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Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
It's 8.25% in my county.
Nigel Eaton
2005-01-12 01:45:47 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, muddycat
Post by muddycat
Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
It's 8.25% in my county.
Are you far from Fallbrook muddy? A beer may be necessary in a couple of
weeks if the answer's "no"...
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muddycat
2005-01-12 01:56:14 UTC
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Post by Nigel Eaton
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, muddycat
Post by muddycat
Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
It's 8.25% in my county.
Are you far from Fallbrook muddy? A beer may be necessary in a couple of
weeks if the answer's "no"...
It's 445.33 miles, so I guess it's no joy.
Nigel Eaton
2005-01-12 10:25:19 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, muddycat
Post by muddycat
Post by Nigel Eaton
Are you far from Fallbrook muddy? A beer may be necessary in a couple of
weeks if the answer's "no"...
It's 445.33 miles, so I guess it's no joy.
Ah. Oh well, have a beer anyway.
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Champ
2005-01-12 08:37:35 UTC
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Post by muddycat
Post by Champ
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:35 +0000, Nigel Eaton
Post by Nigel Eaton
Local sales taxes do apply in the USA, but are applied depending on the
state you order from. California is (IIRC) something like 1.25%, or "not
enough that you'd really notice".
Is is bollox! Sales tax in Calif is 7.75%
It's 8.25% in my county.
Ah, right. Didn't realise it varied by county. I recall the sales
chap in Tri-City sports in the Bay Area telling me it had just gone up
from 8.25% to 8.75%, but I remembered the magazine mark-up in the
airport, and that worked out at 7.75%.

So, basically, you never know what something's going to cost til you
get to the checkout? :-)
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Richard Giles
2005-01-12 09:15:00 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:55:24 +0000, Champ <***@champ.org.uk> wrote:

[California Sales Tax]
Post by Champ
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
At least you know how much tax you're paying.

<fx: sips tea>
Ben Blaney
2005-01-12 09:45:31 UTC
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Post by Richard Giles
[California Sales Tax]
Post by Champ
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
At least you know how much tax you're paying.
" "
Post by Richard Giles
<fx: sips tea>
<cranberry juice>
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Champ
2005-01-12 09:49:28 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:15:00 +0000, Richard Giles
Post by Richard Giles
[California Sales Tax]
Post by Champ
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
At least you know how much tax you're paying.
Yes, well, that's obviously the reason, and it does have some merit.
But, when you're used to "what you see is what you pay", it gets a bit
annoying.
Post by Richard Giles
<fx: sips tea>
"An Englishman in New York"? No, hang on, you're in Milton Keynes,
aren't you?
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Richard Giles
2005-01-12 10:43:10 UTC
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Post by Champ
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:15:00 +0000, Richard Giles
Post by Richard Giles
[California Sales Tax]
Post by Champ
The twist is that sales tax is never quoted on prices. So, you pick
up a magazine priced at $4.99, profering five bucks, and the sales
assistant says "that'll be $5.37, please".
At least you know how much tax you're paying.
Yes, well, that's obviously the reason, and it does have some merit.
But, when you're used to "what you see is what you pay", it gets a bit
annoying.
Post by Richard Giles
<fx: sips tea>
"An Englishman in New York"? No, hang on, you're in Milton Keynes,
aren't you?
Back in Merseyside. Being 'unwashed'. :o)

The reference was to Boston and taxation.
Champ
2005-01-12 11:13:42 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:43:10 +0000, Richard Giles
Post by Richard Giles
Post by Champ
Post by Richard Giles
[California Sales Tax]
<fx: sips tea>
"An Englishman in New York"? No, hang on, you're in Milton Keynes,
aren't you?
Back in Merseyside. Being 'unwashed'. :o)
Ah. Get down to the local baths, then.
Post by Richard Giles
The reference was to Boston and taxation.
Of course - and me a big Alex Harvey fan, too - should have got that.
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Muck
2005-01-11 22:44:18 UTC
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Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
That's a lovely little machine, I'd love one of those. :)
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simonk
2005-01-11 22:47:33 UTC
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Post by Muck
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
That's a lovely little machine, I'd love one of those. :)
You'd only put Linux on it though ...
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Muck
2005-01-11 22:54:01 UTC
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Post by simonk
Post by Muck
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
That's a lovely little machine, I'd love one of those. :)
You'd only put Linux on it though ...
No fear! That would spoil it.
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Rope
2005-01-12 09:39:03 UTC
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Post by Ginge
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
And somewhere to install it, of course.
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Muck
2005-01-12 11:22:13 UTC
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Post by Rope
Post by Ginge
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
And somewhere to install it, of course.
Like a USB port?
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Champ
2005-01-12 11:37:35 UTC
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Post by Muck
Post by Rope
Post by Ginge
Or even,
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
And somewhere to install it, of course.
Like a USB port?
So, you buy your lovely cool looking minimalist computer, and then you
hang loads of shit out the back of it.
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Rope
2005-01-12 13:24:02 UTC
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Post by Muck
Post by Rope
Post by Ginge
£339.. Fuck. That's a bargain, would just need a USB TV card.
And somewhere to install it, of course.
Like a USB port?
The OP said *card*
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Timo Geusch
2005-01-11 22:49:38 UTC
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Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
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Donegal Paul
2005-01-11 23:16:11 UTC
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Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
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SteveH
2005-01-11 23:21:02 UTC
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Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.

I've got a Windows PC on a mainly Mac network here, sharing printers
etc.
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Donegal Paul
2005-01-11 23:24:42 UTC
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"SteveH" replied to Donegal Paul
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
I've got a Windows PC on a mainly Mac network here, sharing printers
etc.
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
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SteveH
2005-01-11 23:27:35 UTC
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Post by Donegal Paul
"SteveH" replied to Donegal Paul
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
I've got a Windows PC on a mainly Mac network here, sharing printers
etc.
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
Easy, that one.

Order one with WiFi and Bluetooth so you can use a BT wireless keyboard
with it, and get the (optional) DVI to S-Video adaptor for it.
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Donegal Paul
2005-01-11 23:31:33 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
SNIP
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
Easy, that one.
Order one with WiFi and Bluetooth so you can use a BT wireless keyboard
with it, and get the (optional) DVI to S-Video adaptor for it.
Fuck, youre not helping :-)
I wonder what the picture would be like on a widescreen TV though.
For example say im browsing online or whatever, would the window be way out
of shape?
<fx:off to price up ideal setup>
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SteveH
2005-01-11 23:34:35 UTC
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Post by Donegal Paul
Post by SteveH
Order one with WiFi and Bluetooth so you can use a BT wireless keyboard
with it, and get the (optional) DVI to S-Video adaptor for it.
Fuck, youre not helping :-)
I wonder what the picture would be like on a widescreen TV though.
For example say im browsing online or whatever, would the window be way out
of shape?
<fx:off to price up ideal setup>
Macs running OSX are pretty good on a decent widescreen using S-Video
inputs. I was running my old Powerbook on my parent's 28" widescreen
like this a couple of weeks back.
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Muck
2005-01-11 23:40:05 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by SteveH
Order one with WiFi and Bluetooth so you can use a BT wireless keyboard
with it, and get the (optional) DVI to S-Video adaptor for it.
Fuck, youre not helping :-)
I wonder what the picture would be like on a widescreen TV though.
For example say im browsing online or whatever, would the window be way out
of shape?
<fx:off to price up ideal setup>
Macs running OSX are pretty good on a decent widescreen using S-Video
inputs. I was running my old Powerbook on my parent's 28" widescreen
like this a couple of weeks back.
Wow, I sit corrected.
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Muck
2005-01-11 23:34:41 UTC
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"SteveH" replied to Donegal Paul
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
I've got a Windows PC on a mainly Mac network here, sharing printers
etc.
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
You just don't get the resolution on a telly, well, my PS2 running Linux
is barely usable on a TV.
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SteveH
2005-01-11 23:35:52 UTC
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Post by Muck
Post by Donegal Paul
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
You just don't get the resolution on a telly, well, my PS2 running Linux
is barely usable on a TV.
OSX will let you set up the resolution and font size to suit. It won't
be as sharp as on a decent monitor, obviously, but on a 42" telly, for a
bit of browsing / playing films and listening to music (which is it's
intended use) it'll be fine.
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Donegal Paul
2005-01-11 23:42:43 UTC
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"SteveH" said to Muck
Post by SteveH
Post by Muck
Post by Donegal Paul
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
You just don't get the resolution on a telly, well, my PS2 running Linux
is barely usable on a TV.
OSX will let you set up the resolution and font size to suit. It won't
be as sharp as on a decent monitor, obviously, but on a 42" telly, for a
bit of browsing / playing films and listening to music (which is it's
intended use) it'll be fine.
I'd be using it as a complete computer though, all the above but more than
just occasional browsing etc.
Im sat here about 8 feet from the telly now, instead of sitting here looking
at the laptop screen about a foot away I'd want to be looking at that telly
and not straining.
Thing is, I've just priced up in the apple store my ideal set up and it
comes to £613.01. Too rich for me at the moment :-/
Oh, and thats before shelling out for a wireless keyboard and mouse.
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simonk
2005-01-11 23:49:50 UTC
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Post by Donegal Paul
"SteveH" replied to Donegal Paul
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
I've got a Windows PC on a mainly Mac network here, sharing printers
etc.
Hmmmmmmm, sooooo tempting. Only problem is that the laptop gets the main use
and if i were to buy a minimac then it'd just be replacing a bedroom PC
which wouldnt do it justice.
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
Already got an iBook, which is fast becoming my "main" PC, though mainly
though portability rather than anything else. Professionally I've not needed
to use anything Windows specific for a while now, so a switch for the
"sit-down" computer is probably do-able, but even if I did take the plung
that would probably have to be a G5.

Still, one of these would make a lovely iTunes server, with a T630 and a copy
of

http://homepage.mac.com/jonassalling/Shareware/Clicker/

for a remote control ...
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SteveH
2005-01-12 00:02:35 UTC
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Post by simonk
Post by Donegal Paul
Now, if there were a way that I could have the minimac in the living room,
connected to the TV (42inch rear projection) then have a wireless keyboard
and mouse, *that* I would do and ditch both the pc and the laptop!
Already got an iBook, which is fast becoming my "main" PC, though mainly
though portability rather than anything else. Professionally I've not needed
to use anything Windows specific for a while now, so a switch for the
"sit-down" computer is probably do-able, but even if I did take the plung
that would probably have to be a G5.
Still, one of these would make a lovely iTunes server, with a T630 and a copy
of
http://homepage.mac.com/jonassalling/Shareware/Clicker/
for a remote control ...
I'm kicking myself for buying a Shuttle last autumn now.

Still might have to buy the Mac Mini and stick the Shuttle on ebay.
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2005-01-11 23:26:53 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, SteveH
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Don't believe him! One of the machines *will* explode. Which one depends
on whether you're running OS X, and how up-to-date the patches on the
Win machines are. But one of them definitely will.
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simonk
2005-01-11 23:36:17 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining Windows networks.
Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of the box". But
it's not a huge fuss either way
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SteveH
2005-01-11 23:38:48 UTC
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Post by simonk
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set
it up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop
the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining Windows
networks. Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of
the box". But it's not a huge fuss either way
Don't know what you're doing wrong, but I've never had a problem getting
a Mac on a windows network - SMB takes care of everything with
incredibly little hassle.

XP-Pro caused me all sorts of problems, and I still can't get my XP box
to use a printer connected to a Mac, but it just works the other way
round.
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Ben Blaney
2005-01-12 04:12:28 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by simonk
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set
it up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop
the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining Windows
networks. Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of
the box". But it's not a huge fuss either way
Don't know what you're doing wrong,
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.

He doesn't tell you how to stack shelves.
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SteveH
2005-01-12 09:33:54 UTC
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Post by Ben Blaney
Post by SteveH
Post by simonk
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set
it up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop
the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining Windows
networks. Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of
the box". But it's not a huge fuss either way
Don't know what you're doing wrong,
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.
Which might explain why he found the Windows side easy, and the Mac
sider harder to work out if he works mainly with Windows machines.
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Ben Blaney
2005-01-12 09:46:04 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Ben Blaney
Post by SteveH
Post by simonk
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set
it up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop
the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining Windows
networks. Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of
the box". But it's not a huge fuss either way
Don't know what you're doing wrong,
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.
Which might explain why he found the Windows side easy, and the Mac
sider harder to work out if he works mainly with Windows machines.
Just how familiar are you with Simon's office?
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Champ
2005-01-12 09:49:47 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Ben Blaney
Post by SteveH
Post by simonk
Post by SteveH
Post by Donegal Paul
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set
it up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop
the other
The Mac bit would be easy, Windows bit more than a little harder.
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining Windows
networks. Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of
the box". But it's not a huge fuss either way
Don't know what you're doing wrong,
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.
Which might explain why he found the Windows side easy, and the Mac
sider harder to work out if he works mainly with Windows machines.
<snort>
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dwb
2005-01-12 09:50:10 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Ben Blaney
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.
Which might explain why he found the Windows side easy, and the Mac
sider harder to work out if he works mainly with Windows machines.
Er... which person on this group posts more Mac-related stuff than almost
anyone else?

(admittedly only the "cool" stuff).
darsy
2005-01-12 11:27:13 UTC
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Post by dwb
Post by SteveH
Post by Ben Blaney
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.
Which might explain why he found the Windows side easy, and the Mac
sider harder to work out if he works mainly with Windows machines.
Er... which person on this group posts more Mac-related stuff than almost
anyone else?
it's indirectly my fault, and I do feel slightly bad for Simon.
(says me, with an iBook on my desk...)
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darsy
2005-01-12 10:27:16 UTC
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Post by Ben Blaney
Post by SteveH
Post by simonk
Au contraire - IME the Mac's more fussy in terms of joining
Windows
Post by Ben Blaney
Post by SteveH
Post by simonk
networks. Shame really, because everything else works so neatly "out of
the box". But it's not a huge fuss either way
Don't know what you're doing wrong,
Simon is a professional at this kind of thing.
*choke*
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d.
Muck
2005-01-11 23:28:17 UTC
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Post by Donegal Paul
Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
Ditto, would love a mac but not sure how complicated it would be to set it
up for use on my home network. i.e. mac one end and windoze laptop the other
Dunno.. I guess that I could bring up my iBook sometime[1] if you'd like
to test it.

[1]Not this month though.
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The Older Gentleman
2005-01-12 07:50:11 UTC
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Post by Timo Geusch
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*want*
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Champ
2005-01-11 23:57:18 UTC
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Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
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SteveH
2005-01-12 00:08:31 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=M9267

and

http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html
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Champ
2005-01-12 00:57:36 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=M9267
and
http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html
That's not what I meant by "doing TV".
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Muck
2005-01-12 01:08:13 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by SteveH
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=M9267
and
http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html
That's not what I meant by "doing TV".
How many more directions can you do TV in? There is a box that lets you
use it as a TV hard disk recorder too, if you're talking about that.
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Champ
2005-01-12 08:38:55 UTC
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Post by Muck
Post by Champ
Post by SteveH
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=M9267
and
http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html
That's not what I meant by "doing TV".
How many more directions can you do TV in? There is a box that lets you
use it as a TV hard disk recorder too, if you're talking about that.
Sorry, it was late, but the card referenced seemed able to drive a TV,
but not accept a TV signal (eg from an aerial) and do stuff with it a
la Hauppauge.
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Pip
2005-01-12 13:11:18 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by SteveH
Post by Champ
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=M9267
and
http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html
That's not what I meant by "doing TV".
Put it in a Laura Ashley dress, then. Sorted.
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Eddie
2005-01-12 00:17:23 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
And it only appears to come with 40 or 80 GB hard drive.

And it's only got a CD-R/DVD-ROM.

And, and, and... <waves hand dismissively>

Still, though... it's not far off, is it?
Muck
2005-01-12 00:31:16 UTC
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Post by Eddie
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
And it only appears to come with 40 or 80 GB hard drive.
And it's only got a CD-R/DVD-ROM.
And, and, and... <waves hand dismissively>
Still, though... it's not far off, is it?
Comes with a more advanced OS though, I wonder how long it will take
until someone does a matching firewire external disk pack for it.
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Bear
2005-01-12 01:17:54 UTC
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In article <41e46fca$0$16588$***@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, Muck
says...
Post by Muck
Post by Eddie
Still, though... it's not far off, is it?
Comes with a more advanced OS though
*INCOMING!*
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Nigel Eaton
2005-01-12 01:20:09 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
Post by Ginge
says...
Post by Muck
Post by Eddie
Still, though... it's not far off, is it?
Comes with a more advanced OS though
*INCOMING!*
<filtered by advanced Microsoft software>

Phew, that was close!
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Muck
2005-01-12 11:21:11 UTC
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Post by Ginge
says...
Post by Muck
Post by Eddie
Still, though... it's not far off, is it?
Comes with a more advanced OS though
*INCOMING!*
Had better take the opportunity to upgrade anti virus and spyware
scanners while your hiding. :)
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Bear
2005-01-12 01:08:36 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
Small hard disc too.
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Today's music: Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"
sweller
2005-01-12 08:27:57 UTC
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Post by Bear
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
Small hard disc too.
But it could be attached to a network for archiving?
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Richard Wood
2005-01-12 09:09:08 UTC
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Post by sweller
Post by Bear
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
Small hard disc too.
But it could be attached to a network for archiving?
You'd need gigabit ethernet to do that at any speed and it doesn't
have that either.

Would be a nice pooter for me old mum though...



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SteveH
2005-01-12 09:33:55 UTC
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Post by sweller
Post by Bear
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
Small hard disc too.
But it could be attached to a network for archiving?
Firewire hard drive.
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dwb
2005-01-12 09:51:14 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by sweller
Post by Bear
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
Small hard disc too.
But it could be attached to a network for archiving?
Firewire hard drive.
Not the same thing.

At all.
Slider
2005-01-12 08:15:57 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
The DVI output can be converted to S-Video or composite with an adapter,
it's on the page somewhere...
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Champ
2005-01-12 08:39:28 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:15:57 GMT, "Slider"
Post by Slider
Post by Champ
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Phew - it doesn't appear to do TV.
The DVI output can be converted to S-Video or composite with an adapter,
it's on the page somewhere...
<sigh> It's the *input* I'm talking about.
--
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Mash
2005-01-12 00:42:34 UTC
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Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Now you too can have processors from several years ago, old graphics
cards that were poor when they were released, a pissy 256 megs of non
upgradable ram and a slow harddrive. Topped off by an imaginary $-£
exchange rate which adds 50% onto the price. Bargain.
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Muck
2005-01-12 01:05:24 UTC
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Post by Mash
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Now you too can have processors from several years ago, old graphics
cards that were poor when they were released, a pissy 256 megs of non
upgradable ram and a slow harddrive. Topped off by an imaginary $-£
exchange rate which adds 50% onto the price. Bargain.
but it doesn't have to play catch up to anyone, the ram is upgradeable
to 1 gig, it makes better use of its hard drive space than a PC, and its
processor is much faster than the same speed intel / amd device.
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Mash
2005-01-12 01:13:00 UTC
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Post by Muck
but it doesn't have to play catch up to anyone, the ram is upgradeable
to 1 gig,
Only by a qualified apple service engineer, else there goes the warranty
Post by Muck
it makes better use of its hard drive space than a PC,
Lol!, ok, so mac porno mpegs are smaller than windows porno mpegs, Ill
remember that for future reference. What exactly makes better use of it?
Perhaps a 3 gig installation of unreal on the mac is different to a 3
gig install on windows? or maybe a 100meg install of photoshop is
somehow smaller than a 100 meg install on a pc?
Post by Muck
processor is much faster than the same speed intel / amd device.
A 1.25 gig G4 is roughly equivelant to a 1.5gig p4. Its still a shitty
old cpu.
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SteveH
2005-01-12 01:15:32 UTC
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Post by Mash
Post by Muck
processor is much faster than the same speed intel / amd device.
A 1.25 gig G4 is roughly equivelant to a 1.5gig p4. Its still a shitty
old cpu.
Hang on, this is a _tiny_ little computer that costs just over 300 quid.
What exactly do you expect to get in a box that small for that amount of
cash?
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darsy
2005-01-12 11:36:03 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Post by Mash
Post by Muck
processor is much faster than the same speed intel / amd device.
A 1.25 gig G4 is roughly equivelant to a 1.5gig p4. Its still a shitty
old cpu.
Hang on, this is a _tiny_ little computer that costs just over 300 quid.
What exactly do you expect to get in a box that small for that amount of
cash?
err, a much higher spec PC.
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Mash
2005-01-12 11:37:44 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Hang on, this is a _tiny_ little computer that costs just over 300 quid.
What exactly do you expect to get in a box that small for that amount of
cash?
For £340 I expect an old, underpowered computer, which is what it is.

I have no problem with it, im just amazed that everyone is getting so
wet over what is essentially some crappy old technology shoved in an
external drive bay.

The only amazing thing here is that apple have finally pulled their head
out of their own arse and released something with a price tag that isn't
for the uber l33t geeks with style.
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Bear
2005-01-12 12:12:44 UTC
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Post by Mash
Post by SteveH
Hang on, this is a _tiny_ little computer that costs just over 300 quid.
What exactly do you expect to get in a box that small for that amount of
cash?
For £340 I expect an old, underpowered computer, which is what it is.
Indeed. I must admit to secretly envying Apple's ability to market just
about *anything* to a group of people who, so long as it's encased in
some flash plastic, will swallow it whole.
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TOG@toil, chateau.murray@btinternet.com,
2005-01-12 13:12:42 UTC
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Post by SteveH
Hang on, this is a _tiny_ little computer that costs just over 300 quid.
What exactly do you expect to get in a box that small for that amount of
cash?
"Jewellery!" quoth The Doctor :-(
Muck
2005-01-12 11:11:50 UTC
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<snip>

If you don't understand what I'm on about, just say. You're trying very
hard to be a condicending twat, so I'll leave you to wallow in your
apparent superiority, while completely missing the point.

I'll be over here =================================>

Ok?
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2005-01-12 11:15:41 UTC
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Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Muck
Post by Muck
<snip>
If you don't understand what I'm on about, just say. You're trying very
hard to be a condicending twat,
If you can't spell "condescending" use another word, there's a good lad.
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Mash
2005-01-12 11:20:58 UTC
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Post by Muck
If you don't understand what I'm on about, just say. You're trying very
hard to be a condicending twat, so I'll leave you to wallow in your
apparent superiority, while completely missing the point.
I'll be over here =================================>
Ok?
Ahhh, the sound of someone losing an argument.
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sweller
2005-01-12 08:30:08 UTC
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the ram is upgradeable to 1 gig
So is my elderly PIII laptop.
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SteveH
2005-01-12 01:14:03 UTC
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Post by Mash
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Now you too can have processors from several years ago, old graphics
cards that were poor when they were released, a pissy 256 megs of non
upgradable ram and a slow harddrive. Topped off by an imaginary $-£
exchange rate which adds 50% onto the price. Bargain.
RAM is upgradable using standard 'sticks', the hard drive is a product
of making such a small unit (it doesn't have a fan, so needs relatively
slow spinning drives to keep the heat levels down) and the exchange rate
premium is only about 20 quid. Also, the processor is going to be faster
than a £300 'Shuttle' type system plus the graphics aren't Intel
integrated jobs which also feature on cheap, small PCs. GFX cards are
over-rated anyway, what more do you need a GFX card to do on a 'media
hub' type device?
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Richard Wood
2005-01-12 08:19:38 UTC
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Post by SteveH
RAM is upgradable using standard 'sticks',
Can the user upgrade it without invalidating the warranty?
Post by SteveH
the hard drive is a product
of making such a small unit (it doesn't have a fan, so needs relatively
slow spinning drives to keep the heat levels down)
For use as a PVR it needs at least 120GB hard drive.
Post by SteveH
and the exchange rate
premium is only about 20 quid.
Thats the most amazing part. Kudos to Apple there.
Post by SteveH
Also, the processor is going to be faster
than a £300 'Shuttle' type system
You bought a shite shuttle system. Bung a nice 3.2GHz P4 in there
with heat pipe + fan cooling.
Post by SteveH
plus the graphics aren't Intel
integrated jobs which also feature on cheap, small PCs. GFX cards are
over-rated anyway, what more do you need a GFX card to do on a 'media
hub' type device?
For it to play the latest Doom 3 / DX 9 games at full setting at a decent frame
rate? So you can use it to play the latest games, as it'll be used for if its in
the living room as a PS2/X Box replacement device?




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Ben Blaney
2005-01-12 09:47:08 UTC
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Post by Richard Wood
For use as a PVR it needs at least 120GB hard drive.
I didn't know that Apple were marketing it as a PVR.
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Champ
2005-01-12 09:56:55 UTC
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Post by Ben Blaney
Post by Richard Wood
For use as a PVR it needs at least 120GB hard drive.
I didn't know that Apple were marketing it as a PVR.
No, but Simon is :-)
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Richard Wood
2005-01-12 12:25:27 UTC
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Post by Ben Blaney
Post by Richard Wood
For use as a PVR it needs at least 120GB hard drive.
I didn't know that Apple were marketing it as a PVR.
They're advertising it as a "media centre" aren't they?
<goes to look at apples site...>
I sit corrected, they've avoided all mention of the "M" word.

Anyhoo, something as small as that, that runs nearly silently, will instantly
appeal to the "make a PVR out of a Shuttle type micro PC" brigade.

80GB isn't too bad, but with that and a DVD burner + extra memory +
bluetooth + wireless LAN it doubles in price and you still need to add a
video in card.

I just think if Apple thought a bit more they could have had a killer on
their hands, seeing as how media centres are the latest PC style thats
being pushed in the shops.


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Muck
2005-01-12 11:17:25 UTC
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Richard Wood wrote:
<snip>
Post by Richard Wood
For it to play the latest Doom 3 / DX 9 games at full setting at a decent frame
rate? So you can use it to play the latest games, as it'll be used for if its in
the living room as a PS2/X Box replacement device?
I didn't think Macs did DX9. My G4 800Mhz iBook plays quake3 Arena very
smoothly, with no jerking at its max res of 1024x768. I was surprised
myself, that such a modest computer could do this.
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Richard Wood
2005-01-12 12:27:15 UTC
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Post by Muck
<snip>
Post by Richard Wood
For it to play the latest Doom 3 / DX 9 games at full setting at a decent frame
rate? So you can use it to play the latest games, as it'll be used for if its in
the living room as a PS2/X Box replacement device?
I didn't think Macs did DX9. My G4 800Mhz iBook plays quake3 Arena very
smoothly, with no jerking at its max res of 1024x768. I was surprised
myself, that such a modest computer could do this.
I'm not into the latest games or GFX cards but I mean the games that can only
be played with all their effects turned to the max on a PC with a £500 GFX card
and liquid nitrogen cooling for the overclocked CPU :)



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The Older Gentleman
2005-01-12 07:50:11 UTC
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Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*drool*

Hang on. I've already got three Macs. There's a SOB element creeping in
here.

Hm. Let me think about that. OK, how many Macisti here own SOBs or
otherwise "non-manistream" bikes? SteveH has an MZ, for example....
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sweller
2005-01-12 08:34:02 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Hm. Let me think about that. OK, how many Macisti here own SOBs or
otherwise "non-manistream" bikes? SteveH has an MZ, for example....
I don't have any Macs.
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Alex Ferrier
2005-01-12 09:56:10 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
*drool*
Hang on. I've already got three Macs. There's a SOB element creeping in
here.
Hm. Let me think about that. OK, how many Macisti here own SOBs or
otherwise "non-manistream" bikes? SteveH has an MZ, for example....
Just flitting through this thread and earnestly misread "Macisti" in the
above context as some sort of plural for masochist.
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darsy
2005-01-12 09:22:30 UTC
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Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
well, yes and no - by the time you add a decent amount of RAM, a decent
hard drive, a DVD burner, a USB TV Capture card, remote control, etc.
it's considerably more expensive than DIY with a Shuttle case. Nice and
small, admittedly.
Bet there's no decent PVR software for the Mac yet either.
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antonye
2005-01-12 09:25:59 UTC
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Post by simonk
Read and weep ...
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
That looks very tasty but my only concern is that the
"basic" £339 unit doesn't really have that much going
for it.

If you're thinking of PVR then you're missing TV-in
(as Champ says) and the HDD is pitifully small at 40Gb
too. I don't know much about Macs but I'm sure that
256Mb of memory sounds small as well.

So speccing up the 1.4GHz version (how does this compare
to an Intel P4 3.2GHz HT with 1Mb cache?) and adding
1Gb Memory, an 80Gb drive, DVD/CDRW drive, BlueTooth,
Airport, Wireless keyboard and mouse and then adding
the dreaded VAT comes out at £919 !!!

But hey, apparently you get "iLife" included with it...

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Richard Wood
2005-01-12 12:29:10 UTC
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Post by antonye
But hey, apparently you get "iLife" included with it...
Paging Des..... paging Des.... urgent newsflash...



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