Discussion:
OT: Cheapo android tablets
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Nige
2011-07-28 20:28:08 UTC
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Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?

Gotta be cheap...
Cab
2011-07-29 06:44:30 UTC
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Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be
running 3.x before evening being considered.
Post by Nige
Gotta be cheap...
That rules out the Motorola Xoom then.
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Pip
2011-07-29 08:23:32 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be
running 3.x before evening being considered.
Oh, he wouldn't recommend one in the mor - or - ning ...
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Nige
2011-07-29 09:58:55 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be
running 3.x before evening being considered.
Post by Nige
Gotta be cheap...
That rules out the Motorola Xoom then.
Fuck me, anything running 3. is more expensive than an ipad ffs.

Whats wrong with android 2.3?
ogden
2011-07-29 10:16:36 UTC
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Post by Nige
Post by Cab
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be
running 3.x before evening being considered.
Post by Nige
Gotta be cheap...
That rules out the Motorola Xoom then.
Fuck me, anything running 3. is more expensive than an ipad ffs.
Whats wrong with android 2.3?
2.3 is meant for phones
3.0 is meant for tablets.

The two trains will converge when they release the next version.
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Nige
2011-07-29 10:34:17 UTC
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Post by ogden
Post by Nige
Post by Cab
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be
running 3.x before evening being considered.
Post by Nige
Gotta be cheap...
That rules out the Motorola Xoom then.
Fuck me, anything running 3. is more expensive than an ipad ffs.
Whats wrong with android 2.3?
2.3 is meant for phones
3.0 is meant for tablets.
The two trains will converge when they release the next version.
Ahhhh, cheers
Vass
2011-08-11 10:01:15 UTC
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Post by ogden
2.3 is meant for phones
3.0 is meant for tablets.
Ah, that's learned me then
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Champ
2011-07-29 21:02:13 UTC
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Post by Nige
Post by Cab
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be
running 3.x before evening being considered.
Post by Nige
Gotta be cheap...
That rules out the Motorola Xoom then.
Fuck me, anything running 3. is more expensive than an ipad ffs.
Not true - the Asus Transformer is cheaper that the cheapest iPad.
And with the detachable keyboard/battery pack, more functional too.
I'm typing this on mine.

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2011-07-29 13:06:38 UTC
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Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
No, because most cheapo versions run 2.x. Tablets should really be running
3.x before evening being considered.
I think every evening should be considered
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DozynSleepy
2011-07-29 12:59:54 UTC
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Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
Gotta be cheap...
A couple of the guys at work bought the Advent Vega and rate it well for
a cheap POS. One immediately put the CyanogenMod ROM on it and said it
was great, he's now trying the VegaComb ROM but says it's a bit glitchy.
The other guy is running the stock ROM and his only grouch is that when
browsing the web some sites present the mobile phone page to his browser
instead of the normal one.

Comes in at around the £200 mark if that's cheap enough.


It doesn't have 3G so you need a separate MiFi device for mobile broadband.
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higgins
2011-07-29 16:33:44 UTC
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Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
Gotta be cheap...
Not if you want it to be good straight out of the box.
Gyp
2011-07-29 16:43:44 UTC
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Post by higgins
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
Gotta be cheap...
Not if you want it to be good straight out of the box.
And having shelled out on an eeePad, even that with manufacturers
updates, it's rather ropey in a number of ways...

Manufacturers updates sometimes need a PC to help them on their way...
graphics slows to a crawl... keyboard occasionally becomes foreign...
charging is a bit erratic... skype can only do voice (OK that's not the
problem of the tablet or the OS)... googletalk video works but not to
another eeePad...

I'd not be so pissed off if it had been £100
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Nige
2011-07-29 17:27:41 UTC
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Post by Gyp
Post by higgins
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
Gotta be cheap...
Not if you want it to be good straight out of the box.
And having shelled out on an eeePad, even that with manufacturers
updates, it's rather ropey in a number of ways...
Manufacturers updates sometimes need a PC to help them on their way...
graphics slows to a crawl... keyboard occasionally becomes foreign...
charging is a bit erratic... skype can only do voice (OK that's not the
problem of the tablet or the OS)... googletalk video works but not to
another eeePad...
Sell it to me then, really cheaply.
Gyp
2011-07-29 19:33:41 UTC
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Post by Nige
Post by Gyp
Post by higgins
Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
Gotta be cheap...
Not if you want it to be good straight out of the box.
And having shelled out on an eeePad, even that with manufacturers
updates, it's rather ropey in a number of ways...
Manufacturers updates sometimes need a PC to help them on their way...
graphics slows to a crawl... keyboard occasionally becomes foreign...
charging is a bit erratic... skype can only do voice (OK that's not
the problem of the tablet or the OS)... googletalk video works but not
to another eeePad...
Sell it to me then, really cheaply.
Err, no.

It's odd; it's really quite infuriating, but when I walk in I pick it up
in preference to the iPad
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2011-07-29 19:43:08 UTC
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Post by Gyp
Err, no.
It's odd; it's really quite infuriating, but when I walk in I pick it up
in preference to the iPad
I'd rather use an iPad in preference to an Android tablet, however this
might be because the Android tablets are free whereas I had to cough up
for the iPad and hence I justify my purchase.

Tablets are bloody fantastic though if you can integrate them to your
corporate email and also use them as notebooks, I'm now carrying an iPad
rather than an A4 notepad, a blackberry and a laptop.

I think we're moving to a three or four screen future where you interact
with content over a small screen (phone), a medium-1 screen (tablet), a
medium-2 screen (laptop) and a large screen (TV/Fixed Computer
experience).

I'm not sure about the long-term size of the laptop market. I suppose
it depends on how happy people are typing on tablets.
Jim
2011-08-01 08:44:21 UTC
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Post by s***@gonemail.com
I think we're moving to a three or four screen future where you interact
with content over a small screen (phone), a medium-1 screen (tablet), a
medium-2 screen (laptop) and a large screen (TV/Fixed Computer
experience).
I'm not sure about the long-term size of the laptop market. I suppose
it depends on how happy people are typing on tablets.
A tablet with a bluetooth keyboard works quite well - Apple make a nice
one.
Champ
2011-08-09 16:12:16 UTC
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Post by Gyp
And having shelled out on an eeePad, even that with manufacturers
updates, it's rather ropey in a number of ways...
Manufacturers updates sometimes need a PC to help them on their way...
graphics slows to a crawl... keyboard occasionally becomes foreign...
charging is a bit erratic... skype can only do voice (OK that's not the
problem of the tablet or the OS)... googletalk video works but not to
another eeePad...
I'd not be so pissed off if it had been £100
S'odd, innit - we've both got exactly the same bit of kit, and I can
hardly find anything to criticise on mine :-)
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Ivan D. Reid
2011-08-09 21:20:45 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by Gyp
And having shelled out on an eeePad, even that with manufacturers
updates, it's rather ropey in a number of ways...
Manufacturers updates sometimes need a PC to help them on their way...
graphics slows to a crawl... keyboard occasionally becomes foreign...
charging is a bit erratic... skype can only do voice (OK that's not the
problem of the tablet or the OS)... googletalk video works but not to
another eeePad...
I'd not be so pissed off if it had been ?100
S'odd, innit - we've both got exactly the same bit of kit, and I can
hardly find anything to criticise on mine :-)
Nor I with mine, apart from the lack of apps I want and a surfeit
of those I *don't!*

Was amused today to read in ElReg that Motorola are finally
pushing Android 3.1 out to their UK Xoom users today -- after Asus quietly
slipped me 3.2 last night without fanfare. ...and then there's the
clusterfuck of Apple's restraining order against Samsund selling the
Galaxy Tab anywhere in the EU (NL being covered by a separate suit).
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Champ
2011-08-09 22:27:15 UTC
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:20:45 +0000 (UTC), "Ivan D. Reid"
Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Champ
Post by Gyp
And having shelled out on an eeePad, even that with manufacturers
updates, it's rather ropey in a number of ways...
<snip>
Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Champ
S'odd, innit - we've both got exactly the same bit of kit, and I can
hardly find anything to criticise on mine :-)
Nor I with mine, apart from the lack of apps I want and a surfeit
of those I *don't!*
This is true. And there's definitely a lack of apps designed to use
the size of a tablet, tho with 3.2 at least they upscale a bit more
elagantly.

Of course, with Google Groups being borked for the last week, what I
*really* want is a decent Android usenet client. At this rate, I may
have to write one myself...
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ogden
2011-08-09 22:40:15 UTC
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Post by Champ
Of course, with Google Groups being borked for the last week, what I
*really* want is a decent Android usenet client. At this rate, I may
have to write one myself...
Not getting on with Groundhog?

It's limited, but it just about does the job when I'm out and about.
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Colin Irvine
2011-08-09 23:24:22 UTC
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Post by ogden
Post by Champ
Of course, with Google Groups being borked for the last week, what I
*really* want is a decent Android usenet client. At this rate, I may
have to write one myself...
Not getting on with Groundhog?
It's limited, but it just about does the job when I'm out and about.
It might seem trivial, but what puts me off a tablet is its inability
to run Garmin's Mapsource.
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ogden
2011-08-09 23:27:14 UTC
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Post by Colin Irvine
Post by ogden
Post by Champ
Of course, with Google Groups being borked for the last week, what I
*really* want is a decent Android usenet client. At this rate, I may
have to write one myself...
Not getting on with Groundhog?
It's limited, but it just about does the job when I'm out and about.
It might seem trivial, but what puts me off a tablet is its inability
to run Garmin's Mapsource.
To be fair, everything but Mapsource has put me off my Garmin. And
Mapsource isn't exactly great.
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Champ
2011-08-10 07:29:16 UTC
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Post by ogden
Post by Champ
Of course, with Google Groups being borked for the last week, what I
*really* want is a decent Android usenet client. At this rate, I may
have to write one myself...
Not getting on with Groundhog?
No, not really
Post by ogden
It's limited, but it just about does the job when I'm out and about.
Perhap I should give it another go.
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CT
2011-08-10 07:54:51 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by ogden
Not getting on with Groundhog?
No, not really
Post by ogden
It's limited, but it just about does the job when I'm out and about.
Perhap I should give it another go.
I tried Groundhog but didn't like it, so tried Android Usenet Reader
Trial (can subscribe to a single group only). I then actually bought
to the full version for a few quid and it's OK, but at the weekend I
found that the 'Darsy' thread (and *only* the Darsy thread AFAICT) had
issues.[1]. I reinstalled Groundhog so I've got both.

[1] Despite it showing 90-odd posts at the time, I could only ever get
to read one post in the wntire thread.
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Cab
2011-08-11 08:57:29 UTC
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Post by ogden
Post by Champ
Of course, with Google Groups being borked for the last week, what I
*really* want is a decent Android usenet client. At this rate, I may
have to write one myself...
Not getting on with Groundhog?
It's limited, but it just about does the job when I'm out and about.
That's what I'm using. I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
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Champ
2011-08-16 09:28:29 UTC
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Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
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Cab
2011-08-16 20:57:51 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
Groundhog seems to be okay, but I'm currently ssh'ing into my linux box
and using trusty slrn to post. From my tablet.
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Champ
2011-08-17 12:29:21 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Champ
Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
Groundhog seems to be okay, but I'm currently ssh'ing into my linux box
and using trusty slrn to post. From my tablet.
geek.
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prawn
2011-08-17 12:53:41 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Champ
Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
Groundhog seems to be okay, but I'm currently ssh'ing into my linux box
and using trusty slrn to post. From my tablet.
geek.
bah. That's nothing and I thought everyone did that. I shh into my home
server to tweet from the cli :-/
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Ace
2011-08-17 13:13:57 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Champ
Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
Groundhog seems to be okay, but I'm currently ssh'ing into my linux box
and using trusty slrn to post. From my tablet.
geek.
See http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mobile.aspx for the
non-geeky approach.

Free for <cough> non-commercial use, I use it all the time (albeit not
from a smartphone, but I could if I wanted to[1]) to connect to my
desktop machine, rather than VPNing into the network, which is much
slower. Allows me even to disable the local screen and input, so
someone sat at the desktop couldn't use it or see what I was doing.

Dead good, it is.

[1] Well, if I had one too, of course. One of these years, perhaps...
Champ
2011-08-17 14:00:25 UTC
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Post by Ace
Post by Cab
Post by Champ
Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
Groundhog seems to be okay, but I'm currently ssh'ing into my linux box
and using trusty slrn to post. From my tablet.
geek.
See http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mobile.aspx for the
non-geeky approach.
Free for <cough> non-commercial use, I use it all the time (albeit not
from a smartphone, but I could if I wanted to[1]) to connect to my
desktop machine, rather than VPNing into the network, which is much
slower. Allows me even to disable the local screen and input, so
someone sat at the desktop couldn't use it or see what I was doing.
Dead good, it is.
[1] Well, if I had one too, of course. One of these years, perhaps...
crickey, yes. it really does seem to work (posted from android
tablet)
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Cab
2011-08-17 14:30:15 UTC
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Post by Champ
crickey, yes. it really does seem to work (posted from android
tablet)
Geek.
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Ivan D. Reid
2011-08-17 17:45:13 UTC
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Post by Ace
See http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mobile.aspx for the
non-geeky approach.
Free for <cough> non-commercial use, I use it all the time (albeit not
from a smartphone, but I could if I wanted to[1]) to connect to my
desktop machine, rather than VPNing into the network, which is much
slower. Allows me even to disable the local screen and input, so
someone sat at the desktop couldn't use it or see what I was doing.
Dead good, it is.
"The key exchange also guarantees a full client-to-client data protection.
This means that even our routing servers will not be able to read the data
stream."

So you have to go via their machines?
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Jérémy
2011-08-17 19:34:44 UTC
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Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Ace
See http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mobile.aspx for the
non-geeky approach.
Free for <cough> non-commercial use, I use it all the time (albeit
not from a smartphone, but I could if I wanted to[1]) to connect to
my desktop machine, rather than VPNing into the network, which is
much slower. Allows me even to disable the local screen and input, so
someone sat at the desktop couldn't use it or see what I was doing.
Dead good, it is.
"The key exchange also guarantees a full client-to-client data
protection. This means that even our routing servers will not be able
to read the data stream."
So you have to go via their machines?
I imagine it avoids having to mess around with dynmic DNS. I use
logmein.com, which is similar.
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Ivan D. Reid
2011-08-17 19:39:43 UTC
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Post by Jérémy
Post by Ivan D. Reid
"The key exchange also guarantees a full client-to-client data
protection. This means that even our routing servers will not be able
to read the data stream."
So you have to go via their machines?
I imagine it avoids having to mess around with dynmic DNS. I use
logmein.com, which is similar.
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
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Krusty
2011-08-17 19:53:42 UTC
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Post by Ivan D. Reid
"The key exchange also guarantees a full client-to-client data
protection. This means that even our routing servers will not be
able >> to read the data stream."
Post by Jérémy
Post by Ivan D. Reid
So you have to go via their machines?
I imagine it avoids having to mess around with dynmic DNS. I use
logmein.com, which is similar.
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
How... quaint. Get a dyndns.org account, stick settings in router,
sorted.
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Ivan D. Reid
2011-08-18 00:08:53 UTC
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Post by Ivan D. Reid
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
How... quaint. Get a dyndns.org account, stick settings in router,
sorted.
I learnt long ago not to rely on third-party services. What
happens if Anonymous launches a sustained DNS attack on dyndns? -- or they
go bankrupt? -- or they have a cashflow problem and sell your contact
details to a "targeted marketing" service?
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Krusty
2011-08-18 08:55:17 UTC
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Post by Krusty
Post by Ivan D. Reid
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
How... quaint. Get a dyndns.org account, stick settings in router,
sorted.
I learnt long ago not to rely on third-party services. What
happens if Anonymous launches a sustained DNS attack on dyndns? -- or
they go bankrupt? -- or they have a cashflow problem and sell your
contact details to a "targeted marketing" service?
Jesus wept.
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prawn
2011-08-18 09:16:10 UTC
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Post by Krusty
Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Krusty
Post by Ivan D. Reid
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
How... quaint. Get a dyndns.org account, stick settings in router,
sorted.
I learnt long ago not to rely on third-party services. What
happens if Anonymous launches a sustained DNS attack on dyndns? -- or
they go bankrupt? -- or they have a cashflow problem and sell your
contact details to a "targeted marketing" service?
Jesus wept.
Quite. Sounds like Ivan should use afraid.org ;-) That's who I use.
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boots
2011-08-18 12:50:26 UTC
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Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Krusty
Post by Ivan D. Reid
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
How... quaint. Get a dyndns.org account, stick settings in router,
sorted.
I learnt long ago not to rely on third-party services. What
happens if Anonymous launches a sustained DNS attack on dyndns? -- or they
go bankrupt? -- or they have a cashflow problem and sell your contact
details to a "targeted marketing" service?
Adjusts tinfoil hat for a better fit.
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prawn
2011-08-17 19:56:44 UTC
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Post by Jérémy
Post by Ivan D. Reid
"The key exchange also guarantees a full client-to-client data
protection. This means that even our routing servers will not be able
to read the data stream."
So you have to go via their machines?
I imagine it avoids having to mess around with dynmic DNS. I use
logmein.com, which is similar.
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
I use this on my home server.

<http://code.google.com/p/update-dnsomatic/downloads/list>

Well, I feel obliged to eat my own dog food!
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Cab
2011-08-18 09:36:06 UTC
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Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Jérémy
logmein.com, which is similar.
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
That brings back memories of when I had a dynamic IP addy. I had a
script that did that too.
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CT
2011-08-18 09:54:40 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Jérémy
logmein.com, which is similar.
I have one of my servers check the modem's IP every 30 minutes,
and mail me when it changes.
That brings back memories of when I had a dynamic IP addy. I had a
script that did that too.
Geek!
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Cab
2011-08-18 10:07:51 UTC
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Post by Cab
That brings back memories of when I had a dynamic IP addy. I had a
script that did that too.
Geek!
<G> I used to be a geek but I'm alright now.
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Ace
2011-08-18 08:20:02 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ivan D. Reid"
Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Ace
See http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mobile.aspx for the
non-geeky approach.
Free for <cough> non-commercial use, I use it all the time (albeit not
from a smartphone, but I could if I wanted to[1]) to connect to my
desktop machine, rather than VPNing into the network, which is much
slower. Allows me even to disable the local screen and input, so
someone sat at the desktop couldn't use it or see what I was doing.
Dead good, it is.
"The key exchange also guarantees a full client-to-client data protection.
This means that even our routing servers will not be able to read the data
stream."
So you have to go via their machines?
I guess so, but what of it? That's why it's a non-geeky solution. They
do all the geeky stuff for you and make it 'just work'.

Dead good, it is.
Cab
2011-08-17 13:53:05 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Champ
Post by Cab
I couldn't get Android Usenet Reader to work.
Me neither.
Groundhog seems to be okay, but I'm currently ssh'ing into my linux box
and using trusty slrn to post. From my tablet.
geek.
Heh, it's still a damn sight better than Groundhog. Mind you, you get
what you pay for.
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Cab
2011-08-11 08:56:23 UTC
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Post by Ivan D. Reid
Post by Champ
S'odd, innit - we've both got exactly the same bit of kit, and I can
hardly find anything to criticise on mine :-)
Nor I with mine, apart from the lack of apps I want and a surfeit
of those I *don't!*
Was amused today to read in ElReg that Motorola are finally
pushing Android 3.1 out to their UK Xoom users today -- after Asus quietly
slipped me 3.2 last night without fanfare. ...and then there's the
clusterfuck of Apple's restraining order against Samsund selling the
Galaxy Tab anywhere in the EU (NL being covered by a separate suit).
Funnily enough, when I got my Xoom last week, it automatically updated
it to 3.2 straightaway.

Still waiting for the Motorola fix to enable me to slot in an SD card
though. (The silly buggers released the Xoom very quickly, without
having built in the support for additional SD cards).
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Champ
2011-08-09 16:13:48 UTC
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Post by Nige
Anyone got a cheap pile of shit they would actually buy?
Gotta be cheap...
A mate has just started a UK business selling low cost Android
tablets.

Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
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CT
2011-08-10 07:56:29 UTC
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Post by Champ
A mate has just started a UK business selling low cost Android
tablets.
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
The 'M8 tablet'?! Is he 12 or something?
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Champ
2011-08-10 12:05:29 UTC
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Post by CT
Post by Champ
A mate has just started a UK business selling low cost Android
tablets.
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
The 'M8 tablet'?! Is he 12 or something?
Oh, you've met James then?
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Pip
2011-08-13 07:38:41 UTC
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Post by Champ
Post by CT
Post by Champ
A mate has just started a UK business selling low cost Android
tablets.
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
The 'M8 tablet'?! Is he 12 or something?
Oh, you've met James then?
Ah, James. Is that /the/ James?
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Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-08-13 11:12:59 UTC
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Champ
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Ace
2011-08-13 12:06:16 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:12:59 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Champ
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
If your primary use is, as you say, for reading e-books, then you
really shouldn't look at anything other than a Kindle at the moment,
even if it is a few bob cheaper. Normal LCD screens really don't give
anything like the clarity of a Kindle, and autonomous use is severely
restricted by limited battery life.
Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-08-13 12:28:40 UTC
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Ace
If your primary use is, as you say, for reading e-books, then you
really shouldn't look at anything other than a Kindle at the moment,
even if it is a few bob cheaper. Normal LCD screens really don't give
anything like the clarity of a Kindle, and autonomous use is severely
restricted by limited battery life.
Good points, must look around more.
Fraser Johnston
2011-08-17 06:50:06 UTC
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Post by Ace
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:12:59 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Champ
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
If your primary use is, as you say, for reading e-books, then you
really shouldn't look at anything other than a Kindle at the moment,
even if it is a few bob cheaper. Normal LCD screens really don't give
anything like the clarity of a Kindle, and autonomous use is severely
restricted by limited battery life.
I mainly use my ipad for reading ebooks and it can do 10 hours between
charges. I don't feel any eyestrain with it even reading 2 hours at a
time. Plus you can read magazines on it in colour. I couldn't be happier.

Fraser
Ben
2011-08-13 12:46:23 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:12:59 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Champ
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
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Ace
2011-08-13 14:02:51 UTC
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Post by Ace
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:12:59 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Champ
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
*ding*

Although TBF the browser isn't great - some sites (hotline.com is one)
just don't even start to load, and others don't render correctly so
are frustrating to try to use on-screen options. And flash, etc., I
guess, just won't be supported.
SteveH
2011-08-13 15:44:46 UTC
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Post by Ace
Post by Ben
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
*ding*
Although TBF the browser isn't great - some sites (hotline.com is one)
just don't even start to load, and others don't render correctly so
are frustrating to try to use on-screen options. And flash, etc., I
guess, just won't be supported.
I suspect that you won't be watching a lot of flash on a cheapo tablet
anyway - they just won't have the processing power to run it properly,
even if it's supported.

It'll also be a pretty horrible experience - lo-res screen won't be easy
on the eye and resistive touch-screens aren't suited to modern OS
design.
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higgins
2011-08-14 07:57:15 UTC
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Post by SteveH
I suspect that you won't be watching a lot of flash on a cheapo tablet
anyway - they just won't have the processing power to run it
properly,
Post by SteveH
even if it's supported.
It'll also be a pretty horrible experience - lo-res screen won't be easy
on the eye and resistive touch-screens aren't suited to modern OS
design.
Mine was 270$ US and is none of the things you describe.
Ben
2011-08-13 17:04:12 UTC
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Post by Ace
Post by Ace
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:12:59 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Champ
Have a look here http://www.fineslate.net/ and tell him Champ sent
you.
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
*ding*
Although TBF the browser isn't great - some sites (hotline.com is one)
just don't even start to load, and others don't render correctly so
are frustrating to try to use on-screen options.
My Kindle paid for itself on my recent trip to Brazil. As soon as I
got off the plane, powered on, went to translate.google.com (connected
immediately via the free 3g, natch), and happily translated all the
Portuguese for me. So as well as keeping me in reading for the three
week trip, it saved me making a fool out of myself in customs.

All without needing to charge the battery for the whole trip. It's a
simply brilliant bit of kit.
--
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Grimly Curmudgeon
2011-08-13 19:46:36 UTC
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Ben
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
A hundred and fifty two quid?
No thanks.
Ben
2011-08-14 05:43:22 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:46:36 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Ben
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
A hundred and fifty two quid?
No thanks.
<shrugs>
--
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Ace
2011-08-14 08:07:36 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:46:36 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
Post by Ben
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
A hundred and fifty two quid?
No thanks.
Worth every penny.
Cab
2011-08-14 09:35:01 UTC
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Post by Ace
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Ben
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Fark, now that's *exactly* what I want. Just a way of reading e-books
and the odd bit of connectivity, for cheap and reliable.
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
A hundred and fifty two quid?
No thanks.
Worth every penny.
With the arrival of some fairly decent tablets on the market, I think
the Kindle is on it's way out. £150 notes for something so, er, basic,
is not worth the hassle. Cheap tablets are in that price range now.
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doetnietcomputeren
2011-08-14 09:53:30 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Ace
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by Ben
Buy a 3G Kindle then.
A hundred and fifty two quid?
No thanks.
Worth every penny.
With the arrival of some fairly decent tablets on the market, I think
the Kindle is on it's way out. £150 notes for something so, er, basic,
is not worth the hassle. Cheap tablets are in that price range now.
Bearing in mind the HTML5 cloud reader that Amazon just relelased, I
suspect they know this already.
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Gyp
2011-08-14 11:01:00 UTC
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Post by doetnietcomputeren
Bearing in mind the HTML5 cloud reader that Amazon just relelased, I
suspect they know this already.
I suspect that's more to get round the huge in-app purchase commission that
Apple have started charging.

I have (for reasons too boring to go into) a kindle 3G, an iPad 2 and an
Asus transformer, and they all have their unique pros and cons and I'll
chose whichever is most appropriate for the job at hand

And when the job is an e-reader, the £150 kindle is a significantly better
tool than either of the other two £400 alternatives.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm back off to my kindle...
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doetnietcomputeren
2011-08-14 11:50:26 UTC
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On 2011-08-14 11:01:00 +0000, Gyp said:

I already replied to this, but it seems the response got eaten by usenet.
Post by Gyp
Post by doetnietcomputeren
Bearing in mind the HTML5 cloud reader that Amazon just relelased, I
suspect they know this already.
I suspect that's more to get round the huge in-app purchase commission that
Apple have started charging.
Oh that's for sure, but if Amazon were confident about the Kindle, they
wouldn't feel the need to create applications that allow their content
to be read on just about every other device available (and yet to be
available).
Post by Gyp
And when the job is an e-reader, the £150 kindle is a significantly better
tool than either of the other two £400 alternatives.
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single
tasker - albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general
consumers want less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice
exellence in order to get a multi-tasker.
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Gyp
2011-08-14 12:31:29 UTC
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Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single tasker
- albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general consumers want
less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice exellence in order
to get a multi-tasker.
Absolutely.

And when that multi-tasker comes with a daylight readable screen and
60-hour battery life, the kindle will surely be beaten.

Got to say though that I'm typing this on my iPhone, as for some reason, my
kindle is refusing to connect to google groups at the moment.

But then, why should it. It's a book
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doetnietcomputeren
2011-08-14 12:46:13 UTC
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Post by Gyp
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single tasker
- albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general consumers want
less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice exellence in order
to get a multi-tasker.
Absolutely.
And when that multi-tasker comes with a daylight readable screen and
60-hour battery life, the kindle will surely be beaten.
The only people who need an excellent daylight readable screen and 60
hour battery life are the hardcore few.

The majority will sacrifice those for a unit that lasts 10+ hours and
can be read in most situations.
Post by Gyp
Got to say though that I'm typing this on my iPhone, as for some reason, my
kindle is refusing to connect to google groups at the moment.
But then, why should it. It's a book
But then, why should your iPhone? It's a phone.
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Gyp
2011-08-14 13:26:31 UTC
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Post by doetnietcomputeren
The only people who need an excellent daylight readable screen and 60
hour battery life are the hardcore few.
Mebbie with the screen, but the long battery life allows you to treat it
like a book and not be spending all your time switching it off to conserve
battery
Post by doetnietcomputeren
The majority will sacrifice those for a unit that lasts 10+ hours and can
be read in most situations.
I suspect the majority will, you're right
Post by doetnietcomputeren
But then, why should your iPhone? It's a phone.
now you're just being silly ;-)
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doetnietcomputeren
2011-08-14 16:02:00 UTC
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Post by Gyp
Post by doetnietcomputeren
The only people who need an excellent daylight readable screen and 60
hour battery life are the hardcore few.
Mebbie with the screen, but the long battery life allows you to treat it
like a book and not be spending all your time switching it off to conserve
battery
I don't switch off my e-reader to conserve battery. It switches itself
off when I'm not using it. The fact that my e-reader does other things
means that I charge it frequently anyway - so I can still treat it like
a book - ie pick it up to read and put it down when I'm done reading,
pretty much as I please.
Post by Gyp
Post by doetnietcomputeren
The majority will sacrifice those for a unit that lasts 10+ hours and can
be read in most situations.
I suspect the majority will, you're right
And manufacturers tend to build for the majority.
Post by Gyp
Post by doetnietcomputeren
But then, why should your iPhone? It's a phone.
now you're just being silly ;-)
Oh yes.
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boots
2011-08-14 19:38:56 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:46:13 +0200 in uk.rec.motorcycles,
Post by doetnietcomputeren
Post by Gyp
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single tasker
- albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general consumers want
less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice exellence in order
to get a multi-tasker.
Absolutely.
And when that multi-tasker comes with a daylight readable screen and
60-hour battery life, the kindle will surely be beaten.
The only people who need an excellent daylight readable screen and 60
hour battery life are the hardcore few.
TBF that's pretty much the selling point of the kindle for me. It was
bought solely for traveling where battery life is the big deal,
closely followed by readability. Al thought it's got more use than
that.
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Cab
2011-08-14 15:53:23 UTC
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Post by doetnietcomputeren
Post by Gyp
And when the job is an e-reader, the £150 kindle is a significantly better
tool than either of the other two £400 alternatives.
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single
tasker - albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general
consumers want less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice
exellence in order to get a multi-tasker.
Quite. Look at how the mobile phone has "evolved".
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doetnietcomputeren
2011-08-14 16:02:28 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by doetnietcomputeren
Post by Gyp
And when the job is an e-reader, the £150 kindle is a significantly better
tool than either of the other two £400 alternatives.
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single
tasker - albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general
consumers want less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice
exellence in order to get a multi-tasker.
Quite. Look at how the mobile phone has "evolved".
*ding*

Anyone would think that you knew what you were talking about.
--
dnc
Cab
2011-08-15 10:19:26 UTC
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Post by Ace
Post by Cab
Post by doetnietcomputeren
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single
tasker - albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general
consumers want less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice
exellence in order to get a multi-tasker.
Quite. Look at how the mobile phone has "evolved".
*ding*
Anyone would think that you knew what you were talking about.
Me? An SME on phones and PDA's? Nah, dunno what you're talking about.
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doetnietcomputeren
2011-08-15 10:29:59 UTC
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Post by Cab
Post by Ace
Post by Cab
Post by doetnietcomputeren
Absolutely, but let's face it, the kindle is pretty much a single
tasker - albeit excellent at what it does. Unfortunately, general
consumers want less single tasking devices and will often sacrifice
exellence in order to get a multi-tasker.
Quite. Look at how the mobile phone has "evolved".
*ding*
Anyone would think that you knew what you were talking about.
Me? An SME on phones and PDA's? Nah, dunno what you're talking about.
Heh. Let down only by his choice of em^never mind ;)
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