ZX9R E1 default suspension settings?

[frag]

Anyone know what they are?

IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the article
itself.

Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.

Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be much
appreciated.

[eric the brave]

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the article
itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be much
appreciated.

Two secs. I'll have a look. Do you want a PDF workshop manual. I should
have one somewhere. Probably C1 though.

[eric the brave]

Post by eric the brave

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the article
itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be much
appreciated.

Two secs. I'll have a look. Do you want a PDF workshop manual. I should
have one somewhere. Probably C1 though.

Bad form and all that, but I appear to have deleted it all. DOH.

[frag]

Post by eric the brave

Post by eric the brave

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the
article itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would
be much appreciated.

Two secs. I'll have a look. Do you want a PDF workshop manual. I
should have one somewhere. Probably C1 though.

Bad form and all that, but I appear to have deleted it all. DOH.

Doh indeed, no worries, EBay will have one :)

[eric the brave]

Post by frag

Post by eric the brave

Post by eric the brave

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the
article itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would
be much appreciated.

Two secs. I'll have a look. Do you want a PDF workshop manual. I
should have one somewhere. Probably C1 though.

Bad form and all that, but I appear to have deleted it all. DOH.

Doh indeed, no worries, EBay will have one :)

Found it. Only for c1-c2 though.

http://zapik.com/tmp/zx-9r-98-99x.zip

[frag]

Post by eric the brave
Found it. Only for c1-c2 though.
http://zapik.com/tmp/zx-9r-98-99x.zip

Superb. You da man.

[Pip]

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the article
itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be much
appreciated.

Lifted from Dr Molly's site:

http://www.sportsbike.org/suspension/pictures/sus1w.htm

HTH, I have the setup we used for Elly's bike here too if required.

[Pip]

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0100, Pip

Post by Pip
HTH, I have the setup we used for Elly's bike here too if required.

And in hot pursuit of the Bad Form award:

The book says (stock settings):

Front preload 13mm from top of adjuster/5 lines showing
Front rebound (fork top) 10 clicks out
Front compression (by spindle) 10 clicks out

Rear rebound (by shock linkage) 10 clicks out
Rear compression (by brake reservoir) 10 clicks out

Set the static sag first.

On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.

Have fun ;-)

[frag]

Post by Pip
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0100, Pip

Post by Pip
HTH, I have the setup we used for Elly's bike here too if required.

Front preload 13mm from top of adjuster/5 lines showing
Front rebound (fork top) 10 clicks out
Front compression (by spindle) 10 clicks out
Rear rebound (by shock linkage) 10 clicks out
Rear compression (by brake reservoir) 10 clicks out
Set the static sag first.
On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.
Have fun ;-)

Cheers mate. Having a look at Mollys site I think i'm a bit of a Keith
and then some.

I'll return them to stock, see what its like, and then probably adjust
the front rebound/compression for my svelt figure.

[frag]

Post by Pip
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0100, Pip

Post by Pip
HTH, I have the setup we used for Elly's bike here too if required.

Front preload 13mm from top of adjuster/5 lines showing
Front rebound (fork top) 10 clicks out
Front compression (by spindle) 10 clicks out
Rear rebound (by shock linkage) 10 clicks out
Rear compression (by brake reservoir) 10 clicks out
Set the static sag first.
On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.
Have fun ;-)

Hmm, those are different to the default settings on Mollys site.

[Alan]

Post by frag

Post by Pip
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0100, Pip

Post by Pip
HTH, I have the setup we used for Elly's bike here too if required.

Front preload 13mm from top of adjuster/5 lines showing
Front rebound (fork top) 10 clicks out
Front compression (by spindle) 10 clicks out
Rear rebound (by shock linkage) 10 clicks out
Rear compression (by brake reservoir) 10 clicks out
Set the static sag first.
On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.
Have fun ;-)

Hmm, those are different to the default settings on Mollys site.

The owners manual for my bike disagrees too. It says :-
Front spring preload adjuster 13mm from top of adjuster.
rebound damping force adjuster 8th click from fully turned in.
compression damping force adjuster 8th click from fully turned in.

Rear - rebound 8th click from fully turned in - compression 10th click
from fully turned in.

If you still need a scan of the PB article I can do you one.

[frag]

Post by Pip

Post by frag

Post by Pip
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:54:13 +0100, Pip

Post by Pip
HTH, I have the setup we used for Elly's bike here too if

required.

Post by frag

Post by Pip
Front preload 13mm from top of adjuster/5 lines showing
Front rebound (fork top) 10 clicks out
Front compression (by spindle) 10 clicks out
Rear rebound (by shock linkage) 10 clicks out
Rear compression (by brake reservoir) 10 clicks out
Set the static sag first.
On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.
Have fun ;-)

Hmm, those are different to the default settings on Mollys site.

The owners manual for my bike disagrees too. It says :-
Front spring preload adjuster 13mm from top of adjuster.
rebound damping force adjuster 8th click from fully turned in.
compression damping force adjuster 8th click from fully turned in.
Rear - rebound 8th click from fully turned in - compression 10th
click from fully turned in.
If you still need a scan of the PB article I can do you one.

If you can that'd be great Alan.

Email address I use to post here is valid.

Cheers!

[ginge]

Post by frag

Post by Pip
On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.
Have fun ;-)

Hmm, those are different to the default settings on Mollys site.

Do you, Molly and Elly all weigh the same then?

I suspect you'll all need very different settings.

[frag]

Post by ginge

Post by frag

Post by Pip
On Elly's bike we ended up with 4/4/6/6/10
A fast road setting is 4/4/4/3/10 with a bit more rear preload.
Have fun ;-)

Hmm, those are different to the default settings on Mollys site.

Do you, Molly and Elly all weigh the same then?
I suspect you'll all need very different settings.

Well of course, but its always a good idea to set the bike back to
factory settings and then adjust from there.

It also helps me make more accurate guesstimates as I can mentally plot
a "body weight to settings" graph and extrapolate it to my weight. And
then find out I should set everything to negative clicks.

It also helps because I can find out that the previous owner had the
front rebound set two clicks different on one side.

Du with a side helping of 'oh.

[Bear]

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the article
itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be much
appreciated.

Molly used to have a URL for a setup page that worked wonders on my R1.

[Molly]

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the article
itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be much
appreciated.

Check your static sag before you use the settings on my site.

[frag]

Post by Molly

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the
article itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be
much appreciated.

Check your static sag before you use the settings on my site.

Will do.

On your site there are stock and PB settings for the E1/C2, and only
Keith settings for the C1/C2, correct?

Just want to be certain cause I know some browsers make a right cock up
of tables, shifting things round to where they shouldn't be.

One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a 180
profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1 vastly
improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so should make
no difference to ride height)

[ginge]

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a 180
profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1 vastly
improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so should make
no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.

190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm

180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm

So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens the
steering angle, improving turn in..

[frag]

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.

Nice!

[ginge]

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.
Nice!

IIRC they changed the tyre on the E1, but kept the same geometry, which
slowed things down a bit and spoilt the bike. Most people in the know
just changed back to the original set-up.

Probably one of the reasons why they've gone up to a 190/55 on the new
10R actually, to get back to the older turn in characteristics but keep
a wider contact patch. But, erm, Wibble-flip-dibble-doo.. as they say.

[Lozzo]

ginge says...

Post by ginge

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.
Nice!

IIRC they changed the tyre on the E1, but kept the same geometry, which
slowed things down a bit and spoilt the bike. Most people in the know
just changed back to the original set-up.
Probably one of the reasons why they've gone up to a 190/55 on the new
10R actually, to get back to the older turn in characteristics but keep
a wider contact patch. But, erm, Wibble-flip-dibble-doo.. as they say.

I'd very much doubt that you, Frag, Bonners, Champ or any other road
rider would notice a 4mm profile difference in a road tyre while they
were riding. You might notice the difference in turn in, but not the
ride height difference.

[frag]

Post by Lozzo
ginge says...

Post by ginge
IIRC they changed the tyre on the E1, but kept the same geometry,
which slowed things down a bit and spoilt the bike. Most people in
the know just changed back to the original set-up.
Probably one of the reasons why they've gone up to a 190/55 on the
new 10R actually, to get back to the older turn in characteristics
but keep a wider contact patch. But, erm, Wibble-flip-dibble-doo..
as they say.

I'd very much doubt that you, Frag, Bonners, Champ or any other road
rider would notice a 4mm profile difference in a road tyre while they
were riding. You might notice the difference in turn in

*ding*

Being the point.

[frag]

Post by ginge
IIRC they changed the tyre on the E1, but kept the same geometry,
which slowed things down a bit and spoilt the bike. Most people in
the know just changed back to the original set-up.

Yep, the C2 used a 180, E1 a 190 because it looked fatter. I know Bear
changed his back to a 180 and said it made the bike better, so I did,
and it did.

Post by ginge
Probably one of the reasons why they've gone up to a 190/55 on the
new 10R actually, to get back to the older turn in characteristics
but keep a wider contact patch. But, erm, Wibble-flip-dibble-doo..
as they say.

Where does it stop?

[ginge]

Post by frag

Post by ginge
IIRC they changed the tyre on the E1, but kept the same geometry,
which slowed things down a bit and spoilt the bike. Most people in
the know just changed back to the original set-up.

Yep, the C2 used a 180, E1 a 190 because it looked fatter. I know Bear
changed his back to a 180 and said it made the bike better, so I did,
and it did.

Post by ginge
Probably one of the reasons why they've gone up to a 190/55 on the
new 10R actually, to get back to the older turn in characteristics
but keep a wider contact patch. But, erm, Wibble-flip-dibble-doo..
as they say.

Where does it stop?

Anywhere you decide to pull the brakes. :-)

[eric the brave]

Post by ginge

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.
Nice!

IIRC they changed the tyre on the E1, but kept the same geometry, which
slowed things down a bit and spoilt the bike. Most people in the know
just changed back to the original set-up.
Probably one of the reasons why they've gone up to a 190/55 on the new
10R actually, to get back to the older turn in characteristics but keep
a wider contact patch. But, erm, Wibble-flip-dibble-doo.. as they say.

ZX9c1-c2 had 5.5" rims E1+ has 6" rims.

[eric the brave]

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.
Nice!

Remember to check the head race bearings. I discovered mine where pitted
on one of the Sedan runs. I was f*cking horrible on turn in to bends. I
never thought it would have made such a difference.

[frag]

Post by eric the brave

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with
a 180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old
E1 vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical
height so should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which
sharpens the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.
Nice!

Remember to check the head race bearings. I discovered mine where
pitted on one of the Sedan runs. I was f*cking horrible on turn in to
bends. I never thought it would have made such a difference.

Its just been given an MOT (yes, I know it can mean sod all from the
wrong place), so in theory they should be fine. I will check em :)


I do know that I need to sort out the throttle cables now.

I've fitted risers and as per instructions I've re-routed the cables
between the tank and frame.

On full right lock the cables are pulled almost tight, and sometimes
one catches beneath the ignition lock and is pulled more than tight and
the revs blip - not good.

A temporary fix is just a cable tie, but I think the cables are
moving/bending too much due to lack of length which'll cause more wear
and make them snap soon.

Anyone know where I can get new throttle cables made up to suit? Need
to be approx 1.5" longer than standard.

[CT]

Post by eric the brave

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with
a 180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old
E1 vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical
height so should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which
sharpens the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.
Nice!

Remember to check the head race bearings. I discovered mine where
pitted on one of the Sedan runs. I was f*cking horrible on turn in to
bends. I never thought it would have made such a difference.

What mileage did it have on it? Mine were done at round 28K.

[Andy Bonwick]

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.

You don't need to shim the rear, it's got ride height adjustment.

[ginge]

Post by Andy Bonwick

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.

You don't need to shim the rear, it's got ride height adjustment.

Isn't it ride height adjustment by adding shims to the top suspension
mount, like the 10R?

[Andy Bonwick]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:37:05 +0100, ginge

Post by ginge

Post by Andy Bonwick

Post by frag

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a
180 profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1
vastly improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so
should make no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens
the steering angle, improving turn in..

Saving me playing around shimming the rear.

You don't need to shim the rear, it's got ride height adjustment.

Isn't it ride height adjustment by adding shims to the top suspension
mount, like the 10R?

It's got screw and locknut adjustment on the E1.

[frag]

Post by Andy Bonwick
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:37:05 +0100, ginge
says... >> >> > One thing of note is that I will be replacing the
190 rear with a >> >> > 180 profile when the time comes, as I know
doing that on old E1 >> >> > vastly improved the turn in. (but its
the same physical height so >> >> > should make no difference to ride
height) >> >>

Post by ginge

Post by Andy Bonwick

Post by frag

Post by ginge
It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which

sharpens >> >> the steering angle, improving turn in..

Post by ginge

Post by Andy Bonwick

Post by frag
Saving me playing around shimming the rear.

You don't need to shim the rear, it's got ride height adjustment.

Isn't it ride height adjustment by adding shims to the top
suspension mount, like the 10R?

It's got screw and locknut adjustment on the E1.

So it has.

I just need a 22mm spanner.

[eric the brave]

Post by ginge

Post by frag
One thing of note is that I will be replacing the 190 rear with a 180
profile when the time comes, as I know doing that on old E1 vastly
improved the turn in. (but its the same physical height so should make
no difference to ride height)

It's not, you know.. it's slightly bigger.
190/50 sidewall height = 50% of 190mm = 95mm
180/55 sidewall height = 55% of 180mm = 99mm
So the bike on 180/55's rides 4mm higher at the rear, which sharpens the
steering angle, improving turn in..

All depends on if you are running a 5.5" or 6" rim. 180's are supposed
to go on 5.5" rim. The ST runs a 180 on the 6" rim from factory though.

[Molly]

Post by frag

Post by Molly

Post by frag
Anyone know what they are?
IHJFGI and found Bears reference to the PB article, but not the
article itself.
Found a few default settings, but for the Bs or Cs or unspecified model.
Also has anyone got that PB setup guide? A photocopy/scan would be
much appreciated.

Check your static sag before you use the settings on my site.

Will do.
On your site there are stock and PB settings for the E1/C2, and only
Keith settings for the C1/C2, correct?
Just want to be certain cause I know some browsers make a right cock up
of tables, shifting things round to where they shouldn't be.

I think it's my typo. I did some time ago and I think they shgould both be
C1/C2