Speed Trap update date 01/Nov/04

[zaax]

W Sussex A283 Lower Street, Pulborough
Speed Limit: 30
Was obscured by shrubs but these now removed - Now fully function since
July 2004 - Difficult to see though, affects East bound traffic.

A456 Just past Lights in Hagley, Kidderminster
Speed Limit: 30
2 new static GATSO's just out of Hagley village on A456 one on each side
- no lines on road as yet & not sure if they are active.

Upwell Street Near Jet Petrol Station Sheffield
Speed Limit: 40
1 Camera on each side of road

A226 London Road 100 yards past Craylands Lane Dartford
Speed Limit: 30
Situated on the A 226 London road Swanscombe Kent, just passed Craylands
Lane. This camera can be turned to either direction (and has been) but
there are painted lines on only one side of the road the side heading
towards Dartford, this has only been installed for a couple of weeks.
(07/09/2004)

A226 London Road 100 yards past Craylands lane Dartford
Speed Limit: 30
A new camera has recently popped up on the A226 London road, just past
Craylands lane heading towards Dartford. It is a reversible camera but
the white lines are only on one side of the road.

Bruntcliffe Lane.MORLEY. Before Bruntcliffe School MORLEY,LEEDS.
Speed Limit: 30
There are also two other GATSO's 400yds further down Bruntcliffe Lane.

A643 Elland Road 12 cameras starting Near Churwell Railway Viaduct
Morley
Speed Limit: 40
A total of twelve speed cameras have been installed in the last couple
of months on the 1.2 mile section of Elland Road between the Leeds Ring
Road and the "Angel" pub at the A643/A650 junction, here: Location:
Great Britain Grid Ref:SE249277 X: 425000m Y: 427700m Lat: 53:44:43N
(53.7453) Lon: 1:37:22W (-1.6227) Web Address:
www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.7453&lon=-1.6227&scale=10000&icon=x
. There are 10 Fixed GATSO's arranged broadly in pairs either side of
the road, and one pair of Truvelos Near Churwell Primary School.
Installation sites of some of the GATSO's appears to be oddly chosen in
that some are in 40 limit zones, and just beyond, or just approaching
traffic lights or roundabouts where it is unlikely that 40 would be
achieved anyway. There has been speculation locally that all the GATSO's
are dummies (or have no cameras/or share cameras) and have been placed
spaced evenly along the road simply to act as a disincentive to
speeding, whereas the TRUVelo near the school are in earnest. This
hypothesis has not been tested! It appears these *12* cameras have been
installed under pressure from local residents. There is no history of
accidents on Churwell Hill except one (at the Truvelo site) when a very
very drunk driver hit a mother pushing a pram killing both the mother
and her baby. ISTM that local residents were actually concerned about
the high level of HGV traffic to the Junction 27 industrial estates at
the top of the hill, which uses the Elland Road instead of the M621. An
alternative nearby route south ("Wide Lane") has been "traffic calmed"
but council can't "Traffic Calm" all routes so we get speed cameras
instead as a sop and the council gets the revenue. BTW the Truvelo on
the M621 slip road going into Leeds has been removed. It was installed
together with a new 30 limit during recent bridge replacement works
(presumably to protect the workforce) the camera has gone now but the 30
limit remains. Regards Derek Geldard

St Margaret's Way Outside old swimming bath site Leicester
Speed Limit: 30
This has been erected over the last few weeks, and the head unit has
been fitted today.

A449 Penn rd heading towards Safeway by royal school w-ton
Speed Limit: 30
Heading towards w-ton on route to Safeway by royal school, GATSO flashed
me doing 35mph it must be forward facing otherwise how did it flash when
no cars were on the opposite side of road, no markings on this side of
road! Beware.

B1296 Old Durham Road Next to the Mossheaps fields Gateshead
Speed Limit: 30
This camera is actually in a sensible place as there are playing fields
either side of the road. However, it is hidden between trees so be
vigilant! It is marked yellow on the back of the head and has a blue
neck. Being Northumbria police this WILL be live.

A167 Durham Road outside fire station Birtley
Speed Limit: 30
This camera is sited outside the fire station- I bet they get many
pictures of big red fire engines going too fast! It is relatively easy
to see. It is marked yellow on the back of the head and has a blue neck.
Being Northumbria police this WILL be live.

A243 northbound 100 yards before Chessington world of adventures
Chessington
Speed Limit: 30
This is a camera that has been put outside Chessington world of
adventures on a road that is clearly safe to do 40mph.this camera is a
revenue earner. No other reason

Theobald street 500yds past organ hall Borehamwood
Speed Limit: 40
just as you leave b/wood on your way to Radlett buried in the hedgerow
behind a sign a sneaky little camera. Not sure how active it is but it's
been there a good year nowThere is also one on the other side of road
going towards b/wood. Bit more visible and a bit nearer Radlett. Still
sneaky though

A16 between west and Market Deeping
Speed Limit: 60
was a TRUVelo camera on the a16 some one fancied it as ....... its been
ripped out the ground .....................unlucky!!!!!!

Canal Street Near Fire Station Paisley
Speed Limit: 30
Read light camera Eastbound on Canal Street opposite the fire station.
Seems to monitor Pedestrian crossing however may monitor the Fire
Stations Emergency Lights too.

Renfrew Road Near Sewage Works at Southern General Hospital Glasgow
Speed Limit: 30
On Renfrew Road, passing Southern General and at the Sewage works. This
is a revenue earner and is extremely active. Should be a 40 limit
(surrounding roads are this road isn't and it has a GATSO...). Can catch
you both ways, as people have been convicted for speeding in the other
way. Highly visible.

A4010 BOOKERHILL ROAD 50 YRDS BEFORE CO-OP GOING UP THE HILL HIGH
WYCOMBE
Speed Limit: 30
sometimes hidden by a large van that parks in front of it

Millbrook Bypass just past the M271 Roundabout going into Southampton
Speed Limit: 30
Was a 50mph limit then over night the sneaky b*****s moved the 30mph
back past the camera. Over 50 got caught the next day not realising the
sign had been moved.

Vardre road a van parked by houses by a little church Swansea
Speed Limit: 30
a van parks by houses by a church just down the road from the farmers
arms pub

Morrison dual carriageway Swansea
Speed Limit: 50
a van parks on the dual carriageway by McDonalds in Morrison's as you
head into Swansea

A49 wilderspool causeway half way along on RHS towards Warrington
Warrington
Speed Limit: 30
only just been connected to mains in street. no road markings as yet

A49 Mersey St out side shops heading north on A49 Warrington
Speed Limit: 30
heading north along Mersey street new camera has just been connected
this week to mains cables in street, think the distance markers are also
on the road too!!! two new cameras on the same road about a mile apart!!

B1298 Galsworthy Road Roadside near Social club SOUTH SHIELDS
Speed Limit: 30
This is a new camera ( unsure of exact type ) placed in position 13
September 2004.

A 1058 Coast road slip rd to Benfield rd Newcastle
Speed Limit: 50
At the slip road to Walker and Cochrane park. The position of this
camera is not at an accident black spot so it must have been positioned
to collect revinue.

Galsworthy Road Next to Swing park and Whitleas social club South
Shields
Speed Limit: 30
New speed camera in south shields just before the bridge if your going
from Whitleas to Biddick hall or just after if you are coming the other
way.

A1058 Coast Road Just after the bridge and slip road for Heaton east
bound Newcastle
Speed Limit: 50
New camera being installed today, Just after the bridge and slip road
for Heaton east bound there has also been a mobile camera at the same
location on the west bound side just before the slip road for head-on.

A1058 Coast Road Between Coach Lane & Wills Factory Heading East
Newcastle upon Tyne
Speed Limit: 50
New Camera erected.

Castle Lane East About 50 yards past the Royal Bournemouth Hospital
going east Christchurch
Speed Limit: 30
This is a LIVE GATSO at a 30mph speed limit area

A4184 Cheltenham road 300 yards past ambulance station Evesham
Speed Limit: 30
This one catches a lot of people out!

[Paul Corfield]

Post by zaax
B1296 Old Durham Road Next to the Mossheaps fields Gateshead
A167 Durham Road outside fire station Birtley
A 1058 Coast road slip rd to Benfield rd Newcastle
Galsworthy Road Next to Swing park and Whitleas social club South
Shields
A1058 Coast Road Just after the bridge and slip road for Heaton east
bound Newcastle
A1058 Coast Road Between Coach Lane & Wills Factory Heading East
Newcastle upon Tyne

Spot where AndrewR rides his bike!

[AndrewR]

Post by Paul Corfield

Post by zaax
B1296 Old Durham Road Next to the Mossheaps fields Gateshead
A 1058 Coast road slip rd to Benfield rd Newcastle
A1058 Coast Road Just after the bridge and slip road for Heaton east
bound Newcastle
A1058 Coast Road Between Coach Lane & Wills Factory Heading East
Newcastle upon Tyne

Spot where AndrewR rides his bike!

Funnily enough I never go near any of those places, but the ones I've left
in are all around when my missus goes to Uni or has been on her placements.

I think they're trying to get to me through her (she's got 3 points ATM, I'm
clean[1]).

[1] Touch salt, throws wood over shoulder, makes a black cat walk up a
ladder with a mirror, etc.

[John Rowland]

Post by zaax
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Zaax
http://www.ukgatsos.com

Does the time you gain by speeding exceed the time you lose while compiling
these lists?

[gomez]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:27:30 -0000, "John Rowland"

Post by John Rowland

Post by zaax
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Zaax
http://www.ukgatsos.com

Does the time you gain by speeding exceed the time you lose while compiling
these lists?

It maybe, but its less boring than the alternatives.

[yammyr6]

no but its a great way to get rid of the shagged tyers
just slip em over and a pint of petrol makes a council more wary of placing
a £50 cam in em
try it n see
not thayt o condone such unlawfull behaviour
i just find it kinda poetic to see flames on th ebypass

[Huge]

Post by John Rowland

Post by zaax
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Zaax
http://www.ukgatsos.com

Does the time you gain by speeding

Is jumping to conclusions a valid means of travel?


exceed the time you lose while compiling

Post by John Rowland
these lists?
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1 >John Rowland - Spamtrapped
2 >Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
3 >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/tpftla.html
4 >A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
5 >That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
6 >It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes
7 >
8 >

Too long.

[John Rowland]

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1 >John Rowland - Spamtrapped
2 >Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
3 >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/tpftla.html
4 >A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
5 >That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
6 >It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half

minutes

7 >
8 >
Too long.

1 > --
2 > "The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
3 > [email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]
4 >
5 >
6 >
7 >
8 >
9 >

So is yours.

[Huge]

Post by John Rowland

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1 >John Rowland - Spamtrapped
2 >Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
3 >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/tpftla.html
4 >A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
5 >That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
6 >It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half

minutes

7 >
8 >
Too long.

1 > --
2 > "The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
3 > [email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]
4 >
5 >
6 >
7 >
8 >
9 >
So is yours.

Wrong.

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Post by John Rowland
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1 >John Rowland - Spamtrapped
2 >Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
3 >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/tpftla.html
4 >A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
5 >That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
6 >It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes
Still too long, even if I generously omit the seperator and the blank lines which
may have come from Gawd knows where.

[BrianW]

Post by zaax
A643 Elland Road 12 cameras starting Near Churwell Railway Viaduct
Morley
Speed Limit: 40
A total of twelve speed cameras have been installed in the last couple
of months on the 1.2 mile section of Elland Road between the Leeds
www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.7453&lon=-1.6227&scale=10000&icon=x
. There are 10 Fixed GATSO's arranged broadly in pairs either side of
the road, and one pair of Truvelos Near Churwell Primary School.
Installation sites of some of the GATSO's appears to be oddly chosen
in that some are in 40 limit zones, and just beyond, or just
approaching traffic lights or roundabouts where it is unlikely that
40 would be achieved anyway. There has been speculation locally that
all the GATSO's are dummies (or have no cameras/or share cameras) and
have been placed spaced evenly along the road simply to act as a
disincentive to speeding, whereas the TRUVelo near the school are in
earnest. This hypothesis has not been tested! It appears these *12*
cameras have been installed under pressure from local residents.
There is no history of accidents on Churwell Hill except one (at the
Truvelo site) when a very very drunk driver hit a mother pushing a
pram killing both the mother and her baby. ISTM that local residents
were actually concerned about the high level of HGV traffic to the
Junction 27 industrial estates at the top of the hill, which uses the
Elland Road instead of the M621. An alternative nearby route south
("Wide Lane") has been "traffic calmed" but council can't "Traffic
Calm" all routes so we get speed cameras instead as a sop and the
council gets the revenue. BTW the Truvelo on the M621 slip road going
into Leeds has been removed. It was installed together with a new 30
limit during recent bridge replacement works (presumably to protect
the workforce) the camera has gone now but the 30 limit remains.
Regards Derek Geldard

My god! Are Leeds trying to outdo Blackpool? Is there any justification (in
terms of deaths or injuries) for this? I regularly visit Cottingley, and I
never saw Elland Road as a major accident black spot. Perhaps you are right
and most of them are dummies. Must visit the LCC web site.

Unless you are winding us up of course - which of course you are not...

Brian

[Dan Holdsworth]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:48:59 -0000, BrianW

Post by BrianW
My god! Are Leeds trying to outdo Blackpool? Is there any justification (in
terms of deaths or injuries) for this? I regularly visit Cottingley, and I
never saw Elland Road as a major accident black spot. Perhaps you are right
and most of them are dummies. Must visit the LCC web site.

No, Leeds City Council transport dept have a long and inglorious history
of being a load of clueless muppets where things transportational are
concerned. First and foremost, their road maintenance is just plain
crap.

Second, if there's a simple way to do a job, and a fiendishly
complicated and extremely expensive way to do the same job, which will
end up with a worse solution, then they unfailingly choose the latter
option.

Thirdly, they never, ever think things through. A case in point is the
bus pull-in on the junction of King Lane and The Avenue, Alwoodley. I
grew up round that area, and ever since I can remember there has been a
bus pull-in there.

That is, up until some years ago. King Lane is quite busy there, and
narrow, so a pull-in is a good idea so a waiting bus (and they do quite
often wait there for minutes at a time) doesn't impede traffic. Leeds
City Council department of fucking up traffic systems didn't think so.

They removed the pull-in, forcing the bus to block the road whilst
waiting. This caused a number of head-on collisions, since cars simply
could not see around the bus, and tended to get pissed off with
waiting, and overtook anyway (as the average ten-year-old could have
predicted).

So the council reinstated the pull-in. Back to where they started, only
they've wasted several tens of thousands of pounds buggering about to no
avail trying to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.

So, I'd reckon that the speed cameras thing is more of the same. They've
got a big budget and no sense whatsoever. The only ray of hope is that
the long-time Labour majority on the council has been replaced with no
overall control, which should keep the councillors slightly more honest
in future.

[krystnors]

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Post by Dan Holdsworth

Post by BrianW
My god! Are Leeds trying to outdo Blackpool? Is there any justification (in
terms of deaths or injuries) for this? I regularly visit Cottingley, and I
never saw Elland Road as a major accident black spot. Perhaps you are right
and most of them are dummies. Must visit the LCC web site.

No, Leeds City Council transport dept have a long and inglorious history
of being a load of clueless muppets where things transportational are
concerned. First and foremost, their road maintenance is just plain
crap.
Second, if there's a simple way to do a job, and a fiendishly
complicated and extremely expensive way to do the same job, which will
end up with a worse solution, then they unfailingly choose the latter
option.
Thirdly, they never, ever think things through. A case in point is the
bus pull-in on the junction of King Lane and The Avenue, Alwoodley. I
grew up round that area, and ever since I can remember there has been a
bus pull-in there.
That is, up until some years ago. King Lane is quite busy there, and
narrow, so a pull-in is a good idea so a waiting bus (and they do quite
often wait there for minutes at a time) doesn't impede traffic. Leeds
City Council department of fucking up traffic systems didn't think so.
They removed the pull-in, forcing the bus to block the road whilst
waiting. This caused a number of head-on collisions, since cars simply
could not see around the bus, and tended to get pissed off with
waiting, and overtook anyway (as the average ten-year-old could have
predicted).
So the council reinstated the pull-in. Back to where they started, only
they've wasted several tens of thousands of pounds buggering about to no
avail trying to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.
So, I'd reckon that the speed cameras thing is more of the same. They've
got a big budget and no sense whatsoever. The only ray of hope is that
the long-time Labour majority on the council has been replaced with no
overall control, which should keep the councillors slightly more honest
in future.
--

Success then (Leeds style). Leeds is marketed as the '24 hour city'. Trouble
is you spend 20 minutes in it and you've had enough.

These councils are forever complaining about not having enough money whilst
wasting it on schemes like this. The problem is that this story is only one
of many in which these b*st*rds strive to waste our money.

krystnors