Removing 33bhp restictor

[Kevin Stone]

Hi,

If someone had a restriction on their ER-5 (say), how easy would this be to
remove, and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

PS it's not me (as I have a 600 bandit), or any of my friends (honest
officer).

[Jeremy]

--
Neil

Make your mind up - is it Kevin or Neil?

[Neil Stone]

Post by Jeremy
Make your mind up - is it Kevin or Neil?

I'm at work now - and I've just changed it!

[Eddie]

Post by Kevin Stone
Hi,
If someone had a restriction on their ER-5 (say), how easy would this
be to remove,

Very.

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Post by Kevin Stone
PS it's not me (as I have a 600 bandit), or any of my friends (honest
officer).

"They all say that, sir."

Post by Kevin Stone
--
Neil

This would be more effective if you changed your name on your newsgroup
account settings in Outlook Express.

[Neil Stone]

Post by Eddie

Neil

This would be more effective if you changed your name on your newsgroup
account settings in Outlook Express.

Oops - at work, just changed it.

:)

[Neil Stone]

Post by Kevin Stone
If someone had a restriction on their ER-5 (say), how easy would this be
to remove,

Very.

How?

[Eddie]

Post by Kevin Stone
If someone had a restriction on their ER-5 (say), how easy would
this be to remove,

Very.

How?

Remove seat;
Remove fuel tank;
Remove airbox;
Remove carbs;
Remove airflow-restricting washer-like things;
Assembly is the reverse of disassembly.

[o0-0o]

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's what
you'll be doing. No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do. Personally, I
would pay the extra and have the peace of mind.

DaveP

[Nidge]

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured >- cos that's what

you'll be doing.

Yup.

Oddly enough there was a bit on this same question in MCN's 'ask the
experts' bit last week.
Legal advice was wot Dave sed....
Plus .....
If the licence carries a 33bhp restriction they're riding a vehicle for
which they're not qualified and a few other bits beside which probably
means bannings, licence loosings and otehr excrement/airconditioning
interfacing which won't be as much fun as, say, riding an ER5 even with
restrictors in.

On the upside without the restrictors in *your friend* (cough) will have a
marginally better chance of outrunning pursuit.

But he/she will still only be on an ER5 so I'm not going to bet on that
result ;-)

[Ace]

Post by o0-0o

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's what
you'll be doing.

Not as such, you won't.

Post by o0-0o
No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do.

IF they found out, and IF they claimed that the 'modification' was
contributory to the accident they could refuse to pay out for the
insured's damages, but not for any 3rd party claim.

Post by o0-0o
Personally, I
would pay the extra and have the peace of mind.

It's not about paying lower insurance, but riding a bike that you're
not (yet) licensed for. And I can well understand why someone would
want to.

[o0-0o]

Post by Ace

Post by o0-0o

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's what
you'll be doing.

Not as such, you won't.

Post by o0-0o
No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do.

IF they found out, and IF they claimed that the 'modification' was
contributory to the accident they could refuse to pay out for the
insured's damages, but not for any 3rd party claim.

Fair point about the third party - I'd not taken that into account.
But I would bet a month's wages that a modification that increased
performance would be held (by the inscos at least) to have contributed
to almost any accident you care to name. Even a SMDSY, as they could
claim that without the restrictor you would have likely been going
faster and less able to avoid the accident or mitigate its effects.
And they have the money - if they decide not to pay, it's going to be
no fun at all trying to convince them otherwise.

As for the IFs in capitals: inscos are well aware of the ease of
derestricting a 33bhp bike, and I would imagine they would
automatically be looking for evidence of tampering on any sizeable
claim. I would rephrase that as they WILL find out, and they WILL
claim the mod was contributory. But I take your point. I just reckon
that it's easier to be straight with your insurance, then you can get
on with enjoying the riding.

DaveP

[Nige]

Post by o0-0o

Post by Ace

Post by o0-0o

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's
what you'll be doing.

Not as such, you won't.

Post by o0-0o
No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do.

IF they found out, and IF they claimed that the 'modification' was
contributory to the accident they could refuse to pay out for the
insured's damages, but not for any 3rd party claim.

Fair point about the third party - I'd not taken that into account.
But I would bet a month's wages that a modification that increased
performance would be held (by the inscos at least) to have
contributed to almost any accident you care to name. Even a SMDSY,
as they could claim that without the restrictor you would have
likely been going faster and less able to avoid the accident or
mitigate its effects. And they have the money - if they decide not
to pay, it's going to be no fun at all trying to convince them
otherwise.
As for the IFs in capitals: inscos are well aware of the ease of
derestricting a 33bhp bike, and I would imagine they would
automatically be looking for evidence of tampering on any sizeable
claim. I would rephrase that as they WILL find out, and they WILL
claim the mod was contributory. But I take your point. I just reckon
that it's easier to be straight with your insurance, then you can get
on with enjoying the riding.
DaveP

My mate has a 33hp licence, he has been offered from some sources,
bikes unrestricted with restricted paperwork?

[toad]

Post by Nige

Post by o0-0o

Post by Ace

Post by o0-0o

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's
what you'll be doing.

Not as such, you won't.

Post by o0-0o
No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do.

IF they found out, and IF they claimed that the 'modification' was
contributory to the accident they could refuse to pay out for the
insured's damages, but not for any 3rd party claim.

Fair point about the third party - I'd not taken that into account.
But I would bet a month's wages that a modification that increased
performance would be held (by the inscos at least) to have
contributed to almost any accident you care to name. Even a SMDSY,
as they could claim that without the restrictor you would have
likely been going faster and less able to avoid the accident or
mitigate its effects. And they have the money - if they decide not
to pay, it's going to be no fun at all trying to convince them
otherwise.
As for the IFs in capitals: inscos are well aware of the ease of
derestricting a 33bhp bike, and I would imagine they would
automatically be looking for evidence of tampering on any sizeable
claim. I would rephrase that as they WILL find out, and they WILL
claim the mod was contributory. But I take your point. I just reckon
that it's easier to be straight with your insurance, then you can get
on with enjoying the riding.
DaveP

My mate has a 33hp licence, he has been offered from some sources,
bikes unrestricted with restricted paperwork?

How the fuck does that help? If you give reason to investigate what
you're riding any paperwork you have is going to be irrelevant.

If plod have any reason to check the power output of your bike is his
higher than it seems they're gonna check and waving a receipt or
'certificate' under their noses aint gonna make a blind bit of
difference.

My SO rode with a restriction for two years. I put them in when she
passed the first test. I took them out when she got the full license.
For her it just wasn't worth the potential legal fall out just to ride
a slightly faster bike. YMMV. What was suprising is that in the real
world a 33bhp 500 is a pretty adequate bike.

FWIW I *think* if Plod suspect you're riding an unrestricted bike not
in accordance with your license they tend to give you a VRO and get
you to take it to an MOT station or somesuch to be checked within a
few days. Which gives you plenty of time to pop the restrictors in.
You'd need to double check that.

[Slower Than You]

Post by o0-0o

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's what
you'll be doing. No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do. Personally, I
would pay the extra and have the peace of mind.

FFS. One minute everyone's posting cute fluffy kitten lookalike
pictures of each other, next this! You big bunch of jessies.

Kevin/Neil; just take the restrictor out and have done with it -
chances are extremely high that you'll get away with it. "Probably
getting away with it" is 83.47666% of the fun of riding.

Of course, if you do get caught I'll be riding past flicking the v's
and laughing hysterically, but you probably won't.

[Champ]

Post by Slower Than You

Post by o0-0o

Post by Eddie

Post by Kevin Stone
and would the authorities ever find out (say)?

Probably not, unless anything ever happened that could cause some
investigation, such as an accident or other insurance claim.

Depends how you feel about riding around uninsured - cos that's what
you'll be doing. No-one will ever know until you have an accident and
try to claim, whereupon they will find out your little secret and
refuse to pay, which they will be quite entitled to do. Personally, I
would pay the extra and have the peace of mind.

FFS. One minute everyone's posting cute fluffy kitten lookalike
pictures of each other, next this! You big bunch of jessies.
Kevin/Neil; just take the restrictor out and have done with it -
chances are extremely high that you'll get away with it. "Probably
getting away with it" is 83.47666% of the fun of riding.
Of course, if you do get caught I'll be riding past flicking the v's
and laughing hysterically, but you probably won't.

Sensible policies etc etc

[BGN]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:18:58 -0000, "Kevin Stone"

Post by Kevin Stone
If someone had a restriction on their ER-5 (say), how easy would this be to
remove, and would the authorities ever find out (say)?
PS it's not me (as I have a 600 bandit), or any of my friends (honest
officer).

There are two washers somewhere someone else pointed out in this
thread.

I originally had a 25Kw restricted license and just re-took my test on
an unrestricted ER-5 (Although the riding school said the easiest way
to do it was:

1) Book the appropriate test (£45?) with the DSA and turn up.
2) When examiner asks how you got there tell him you rode bitch with
biker mate. Biker mate just happens to have a helmet with him and
didn't ride with you at all.
3) Point to biker mate who waves at you and examiner and is waiting
outside.
4) Take test on your existing restricted ER-5 as the DSA won't know
the difference.
5) Pass.

Sorted.

However, I think I paid about £60 or £70 for the riding school to
provide a real unrestricted ER-5. They booked the test, took me
around for an hour beforehand to make sure I wasn't doing anything odd
and then I passed the test with one minor or something like that.

The two oversized washers were taken out a couple of weeks later by
the garage. I needed new tyres so booked the ER-5 in for two new
shoes and restrictor removal.